# Same to you, Pat Robertson. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228 "2005-08-23T03:58:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/181 "2005-08-26T00:25:22Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Ahem…However difficult it may be to argue with such a persuasive diatribe, if you will recall, such concerns about Chavez were in large part the basis for Robertson’s comments, thus relevant to the discussion at hand. > > Schmuck! Yeah, but Robertson also believes in homo-targeting hurricanes, so I’m not so sure how much weight we should lend to his concerns. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/182 "2005-08-26T01:06:34Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > …or a starship. Thank you so much. I about spewed on my keyboard. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/183 "2005-08-26T01:19:15Z")
Anyway, about Pat Robertson, that spineless, honorless puddle of phlegm… He bactracked away from his tough talk, after he saw it didn’t play so well. Just like he backtracked before, after the 9/11 Falwell Robertson show. He says off the wall things and has no balls to stick to it. He’s just a two faced horse shit salesman. I’d pay good money to see someone kick his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/184 "2005-08-26T01:37:03Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Ahem…However difficult it may be to argue with such a persuasive diatribe, if you will recall, such concerns about Chavez were in large part the basis for Robertson’s comments, thus relevant to the discussion at hand. > > Schmuck! Exactly. And my concerns about your mother, Cheney, the chip in my brain, and _It could be ANYONE! Holy fuck! We’re all gonna die! Trust nobody! Kill your mother before THEY CAN GET TO HER! YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYONE BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU! YOU NEVER KNOW WHO COULD BE A CLOSET MUSLIM EXTREMIST!_ are now relevent because all good Americans have such concerns. Really, don’t you ever get sick of defending the indefensible? Is there no horseshit that you won’t eventually get sick of shoveling? Even a little bit? I dub thee Buppet #14 -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/185 "2005-08-26T04:46:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, but Robertson also believes in homo-targeting hurricanes Well, that answers **Shirley Ujest** ’s question upthread – when you get an approaching hurricane warning after one of your practice sessions, then you’ve gotten it right. That said, by all means send the video tapes for detailed study. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/186 "2005-08-26T05:10:26Z")
I’m a little late getting here but if anyone is still around you might get a guffaw or two from [THIS.](http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2005/082205.asp) I sure know I did. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/187 "2005-08-26T05:31:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Really, don’t you ever get sick of defending the indefensible? Is there no horseshit that you won’t eventually get sick of shoveling? Even a little bit? ‘scuse moi, but I wasn’t defending anything, o’ misdirecting dickweed. If you’ll recall, I was pointing out to the OP that his attitude and/or philosophy vis-a-vis human life was much more reprehensible than that of Robertson. And as I just said above - and which you’ve chosen to ignore - Chavez was the subject not only of Robertson’s diatribe, but that of the OP himself. I’d be curious to know how you are able to perceive this either as a defense or as fodder for your silly attempt to negate my point with your sky-is-falling nonsense. > [@Merijeek](#): > > I dub thee Buppet #14 > > -Joe Oh, no!!! Puh-leeese! Anything but that! Putz! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/188 "2005-08-26T06:11:26Z")
Pat Robertson makes Baby Jesus puke His little guts out. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/189 "2005-08-26T07:04:52Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I wasn’t defending anything, o’ misdirecting dickweed. If you’ll recall, I was pointing out to the OP that his attitude and/or philosophy vis-a-vis human life was much more reprehensible than that of Robertson. Arguing that Thing A is not as bad as Thing B _ **IS** _ defending Thing A, you twittering horse colon. The position of Stupidest Doper is unmoveably occupied, but the race for Number Two remains tight and unpredictable… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/190 "2005-08-26T07:31:51Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Arguing that Thing A is not as bad as Thing B _ **IS** _ defending Thing A… I truly cannot believe the idiotic things people say on this board which they invariably follow with declarations of idiocy directed to the innocent party to whom they’ve just exposed their idiocy. So let’s see if I’ve got this straight: I argue that rape is not as bad as murder and I’m defending rape; I argue that the Unibomber is not as bad as Timothy McVeigh and I’m defending the Unibomber; I argue that **Merijeek** is not a stupid as you and I’m defending **Merijeek**. Now…since it’s clear that I would never defend **Merijeek** , even as opposed to the likes of you, it becomes obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Therefore I must declare that you, sir, are a :wally Cheers, **SA** ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/191 "2005-08-26T12:28:55Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > ‘scuse moi, but I wasn’t defending anything, o’ misdirecting dickweed. If you’ll recall, I was pointing out to the OP that his attitude and/or philosophy vis-a-vis human life was much more reprehensible than that of Robertson. Oh, I’m sorry, obfuscation, then. We’ll wait while you look it up. You’re becoming like that old prison joke. Really, you could just shout “Number seven!” and we’d all know what argument you’re trying to make. It’d save you a lot of typing time. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/192 "2005-08-26T13:36:59Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I was simply pointing out the flaw in the old “Jesus was a kind and everloving hippy, he didn’t say anything that can be interpreted as violent.”, when in fact he did. > [@Boo Boo Foo](#): > > Ummm no… there’s a huge difference between “believing” something is true, and actually being able to prove it empirically. As Mark Twain once noted… faith is believing what you know aint so… > > Eh… blah blah blah. Just get your head around the following, OK? When you use the words “when in fact” on the Straight Dope Messageboard, a shitload of people are gonna jump down your throat with the word “Cite?” in just one nanosecond. And on the SDMB, it doesn’t pass the muster to say “It’s a fact because I (and a shitload of other people) believe it’s true.” > > For example, there are Holocaust Deniers who believe that the Holocaust was a huge Jewish Conspiracy. Just coz they believe it to be true doesn’t make it so. Faith is nothing more than wishful thinking - a belief system that something you’d LIKE TO BE TRUE actually is. > > Ultimately it makes little difference to me if you personally deny that, or you can accept it - but in the interests of fairness, just ponder the following… what makes you think that YOUR version of faith is any more correct than some Muslim in Rhiyadh for example? Seriously? The Bible, the Koran. They’re both simply social constructs designed to uphold a certain moral culture which manifested itself by accident at various times in human evolution. They’re still based on centuries of handwritten layers of translation, oral discourse, and reinterpretation. Each of us are products of the cultures we grew up in. It’s the height of arrogance, in my opinion, to believe that MY personal version of faith is the ONLY one which counts. To do such a thing is the emodiment of intolerance. > > In short, believe what you will… but don’t dare tell us it’s a “fact”. You’re entitled to your faiths, to your beliefs. However, the moment you start telling me that your beliefs are “Facts” is the moment you start to belittle MY beliefs - and that’s when you lose respect. I’m happy to concede I might be wrong - but you’re not. That’s difference between us. It is a fact that the Bible contains quotes by Jesus that can be interpreted as violent. It is a matter of belief as to whether he actually said them or if they should be interpreted as violent. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/193 "2005-08-26T14:15:04Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > It is a fact that the Bible contains quotes by Jesus that can be interpreted as violent. > > It is a matter of belief as to whether he actually said them or if they should be interpreted as violent. Well said. Jesus often talked in figures of speech that would presumably be clear to his followers but which tend to provoke people to invest their own issues into the interpretation of them. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2005, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/194 "2005-08-27T09:42:49Z")
I thought you folks migh get a kick out of [this column in yesterday’s paper.](http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05238/560308.stm) It’s a couple of letters between Mr. Robertson and one of Screwtape’s colleagues, intercepted by some mysterious means. Enjoy! CJ (Just to make it clear, the letters are fictional, in the style of C. S. Lewis’ _The Screwtape Letters_. The diamond mines in Zaire, however, are real.) ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/195 "2005-08-27T13:57:08Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > The Pentagon **is** in Virginia, you brainless piece of beaver shit. Fuck you. It’s across the fucking river. You can take the Washington subway there. You can walk there from the fucking Mall. Even the Pentagon’s fucking [homepage](http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pentagon/) says it’s in fucking Washington. So just fuck off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228.md?page=9)