# Same to you, Pat Robertson. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228 "2005-08-23T03:58:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/101 "2005-08-24T02:47:05Z")
This past summer it was Tom Cruise and his " You don’t know the history of Physciatry." Now it’s " Jesus with a Glock " by Pat Robertson. New looney. New Tune. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/102 "2005-08-24T02:50:23Z")
I think Pat’s right. I think we should give Pat Robertson a gun and send him down there to do the job. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/103 "2005-08-24T02:51:28Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Seriously, though. I’ve never watched Pat Robertson. I’ve never met anyone who watched him. I’ve never met anyone who has even mentioned him. I don’t even think I know anyone who _knows_ anyone who watches him. As far as I can tell, the man is a religious whackjob. The 700 Club has been around for…how many years now? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/104 "2005-08-24T02:53:14Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > However, having said that, I think this uproar about his comments is a bit silly. All he did was _talk_ about having someone assassinated. Compare that to, say, JFK who tried for years to “take out” Castro. That action certainly doesn’t cast any kind of shadow over the shining legacy of Camelot, does it? Oops. Slipped up there. How is it that, still, the only thing you can say is “But a Democrat…”. I mean, fuck, get a new game already. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/105 "2005-08-24T03:01:06Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Oops. Slipped up there. > > How is it that, still, the only thing you can say is “But a Democrat…”. > > I mean, fuck, get a new game already. > > -Joe Are you kidding? That was hardly meant as a criticism of JFK. It was simply the most obvious example I could think of. Don’t be so thin-skinned. I’m sure a Republican president has tried to have someone assassinated, OK? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/106 "2005-08-24T03:05:41Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Then why did he create them? For the same reason he created boogers. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/107 "2005-08-24T03:06:08Z")
I cringe at the amount of play Robertson is getting for this. I want to reassure our foreign readership that while Pat Robertson may have been a semi-serious political figure at one time, he has been widely regarded as a crazy old fart for at least the last 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/108 "2005-08-24T03:17:35Z")
> [@Boo Boo Foo](#): > > Yeah well… last time I checked, there wasn’t no digital scanning of media back in 35AD to make sure all those Apostles got their Last Supper book deals down pat with any great degree of editorial accuracy. . Actually, 35 AD would be a bit early. Current estimates are that maybe one of the gospels were written by somebody who actually met Jesus. I personally believe there are truths in the bible and they generally got the events right( I think a number of things we can be reasonably sure about, such as the crucifixion), but many of the details are at best, mistakes that invariably crop up in any oral retelling that was written down a generation after events occured. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/109 "2005-08-24T03:18:56Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > How could a baby Jesus glock Herod? > . Maggie shot Mr. Burns.So, I’m sure Jesus could do anything he wanted, including microwave a buritto so hot that he could not eat it. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/110 "2005-08-24T03:35:59Z")
[The 700 Club - Sweeps In - Tremendous Ratings Growth](http://www.backchannelmedia.com/newsletter/story/5028779305/The_Club_November_Sweeps_In_Tr.html) > [@](#): > > January 20, 2005-- The 700 Club’s average daily audience, according to AC Nielsen’s November sweeps, is up 26% over last year. At a time when most daily shows are struggling The 700 Club is experiencing tremendous increases. November’s **average daily audience of 922,000 households** is the highest in ten years and we experienced the same success in October and November. Why the increase? > [@](#): > > John Turver, Vice President of Marketing, said, "I attribute the ratings spike to strong program content, great distribution, and a trend in America towards **family friendly and faith-based programming**. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/111 "2005-08-24T03:37:12Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > For the same reason he created boogers. To outwit potential harmful substances trying to enter the corpus? **Kythereia** No you don’t agree with me at all, because I never said anything of the sort. My theology is not flawed however. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/112 "2005-08-24T03:38:36Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Maggie shot Mr. Burns.So, I’m sure Jesus could do anything he wanted, including microwave a buritto so hot that he could not eat it. If I were the baby Jesus, I would totally will King Herod’s head to pop. Show him who’s the true OG. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/113 "2005-08-24T04:15:20Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > In other news, I got some of my pot legalization on your Communism and Muslim extremism. Sorry about that. Aww, MAN! Now the extremism smells funny! Unlike Robertson, I’m sorry about my Jesus mistake. Apparently I mixed up that movie with _Vampire Hunter D_ or something. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/114 "2005-08-24T04:26:10Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > **Kythereia** > No you don’t agree with me at all, because I never said anything of the sort. My theology is not flawed however. OK, I’ll give you the first part, it’s an easy misunderstanding. But: > [@mswas](#): > > Jesus was the Avatar, the manifestation of God on Earth. **That essentially makes him Lucifer, because the big difference between God and Lucifer is that Lucifer can only be one place at a time** , so the Avatar: Lucifer, would be God’s manifestation on Earth, or the “Casting out of Heaven” of the fallen angel. That would explain why JESUS not God might need tactics. (emphasis mine) That’s the big difference? The big difference between God and Lucifer, in Christian mythology, is that God is good and Lucifer is bad. Period. Jesus, whether he was a hippie freak or Messiah or what have you, wasn’t evil–he can’t be the avatar of Lucifer. Plus, Lucifer didn’t end up on earth after he was cast out, he landed down in hell. Jesus went down to earth and was born of Mary for the very specific purpose of saving mankind from Adam and Eve’s original sin–he wasn’t tossed out. ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/115 "2005-08-24T04:42:25Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I like people who are so threatened by people’s interpretations of things that they need to exclaim, “That’s your interpretation/opinion/viewpoint.” > > Take it or leave it. I was simply pointing out the flaw in the old “Jesus was a kind and everloving hippy, he didn’t say anything that can be interpreted as violent.”, when in fact he did. Ummm no… there’s a huge difference between “believing” something is true, and actually being able to prove it empirically. As Mark Twain once noted… faith is believing what you know aint so… Eh… blah blah blah. Just get your head around the following, OK? When you use the words “when in fact” on the Straight Dope Messageboard, a shitload of people are gonna jump down your throat with the word “Cite?” in just one nanosecond. And on the SDMB, it doesn’t pass the muster to say “It’s a fact because I (and a shitload of other people) believe it’s true.” For example, there are Holocaust Deniers who believe that the Holocaust was a huge Jewish Conspiracy. Just coz they believe it to be true doesn’t make it so. Faith is nothing more than wishful thinking - a belief system that something you’d LIKE TO BE TRUE actually is. Ultimately it makes little difference to me if you personally deny that, or you can accept it - but in the interests of fairness, just ponder the following… what makes you think that YOUR version of faith is any more correct than some Muslim in Rhiyadh for example? Seriously? The Bible, the Koran. They’re both simply social constructs designed to uphold a certain moral culture which manifested itself by accident at various times in human evolution. They’re still based on centuries of handwritten layers of translation, oral discourse, and reinterpretation. Each of us are products of the cultures we grew up in. It’s the height of arrogance, in my opinion, to believe that MY personal version of faith is the ONLY one which counts. To do such a thing is the emodiment of intolerance. In short, believe what you will… but don’t dare tell us it’s a “fact”. You’re entitled to your faiths, to your beliefs. However, the moment you start telling me that your beliefs are “Facts” is the moment you start to belittle MY beliefs - and that’s when you lose respect. I’m happy to concede I might be wrong - but you’re not. That’s difference between us. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/116 "2005-08-24T04:48:12Z")
> [@Danalan](#): > > Pat Robertson, the televangelist and purported evangelical holy man, has called for the assassination of a foreign president. > > [Dumbfounding.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-robertson-_x.htm) > > How can you call yourself a Christian and spout off like this? I’ve come to expect a certain degree of hate speech from fundamentalists, but calls for the death of a foreign leader are a new low, I think. > > What a great example of leadership. Unfortunately, I expect President Chavez won’t reciprocate – much as that would benefit the world at large. > > Lame rant, I know. Maybe I’m just stunned by the hypocrisy. Most amusing! You condemn Robertson’s call for murder by calling for the murder of Robertson himself (“Same to you, Pat Robertson”), and then claim _you’re_ stunned at the hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/117 "2005-08-24T07:22:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Right, Pat, that’s exactly what Jesus would do. Proof, firsthand, that Jimmy Kimmel gets his jokes from **Guin**. \*\*\* Actually Jimmy Kimmel is my favorite ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/118 "2005-08-24T10:06:30Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > Wow…I am so going to Mass this coming Sunday. Sounds like an action movie matinee! Don’t miss “Jesus & Hutch”, a short film that pops up occasionally on late-night cable. “Jesus…he’s back, he’s mad and he’s got a gun!” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/119 "2005-08-24T11:20:24Z")
At least the admin has made a comment. [http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html) > [@](#): > > State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Tuesday that Robertson has the right of any private citizen to say whatever he wants, but added that the broadcaster’s remarks “do not represent the views of the United States.” > > “His comments are inappropriate,” he said. “Allegations that we are planning to take hostile action against the Venezuelan government are completely baseless and without fact.” Kind of weak, but better then nothing I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2005, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/120 "2005-08-24T12:51:37Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Are you one of the 144,000 to be saved? Or are you part of the other multiple billions that are going to spend an eternity in hell? One sec, there’s a quota? I though Jesus said you had to accept him into your heart and let your deeds follow your words to be saved. I’m sure more than 144,000 have done that in the last 2000 years. How are the 144,000 chosen? Is there a ranking? Is it by lot? Will St. Peter be at the pearly gates turning people away saying, “I know you did everything right, and spent your life spreading the gospel and in the service of the poor, but your number just didn’t come up. Here’s your lake of fire. Enjoy.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228.md?page=7)