# Same to you, Pat Robertson. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228 "2005-08-23T03:58:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/161 "2005-08-25T05:49:22Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I would point out, however, that: it appears to take a great deal more for Robertson to call for murder than it does for you; he appears to be much more concerned for the lives of human beings in general than you do; he only rarely feels murder is justified, whereas you seem to have a much lower threshold (to say the least). > > Therefore, I would suggest that even the likes of Robertson (of whom I am no kind of fan) is far superior to you in terms of overall human worth, and that the world is far better off with the likes of him than it is with the likes of you. I’m not seeing it. He’s saying Robertson should die for saying another human being should be murdered; Robertson says another human being should die because it’d make oil cheaper and cost less than a war. Call 'em even if yo want, but I don’t see the superiority. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/162 "2005-08-25T10:34:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Robertson says another human being should die because it’d make oil cheaper and cost less than a war. Hey now, be fair. He also mentioned a ‘wrecked’ economy and the spectre of a communist, Islamist South America. Oh, and that popular coup that had its back so mercilessly broken peacefully, by the people who staged it in the first place, after they realized that their guy intended to make Venezuela less democratic than it was under Chavez. So he’s got that going for him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/163 "2005-08-25T12:45:58Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Reality is irrelevant. I reject your reality and substitute my own. (I finally got a chance to use that!) ---
**Author:** ![Danalan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@Danalan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danalan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/164 "2005-08-25T17:53:43Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Sorry. I guess you’re not a hypocrite after all. I had indeed assumed you were a person with a high regard for life and a moral standard more or less in accordance with that. However, now that I see I was wrong and that you apparently hold no particular regard for human life in general, and that you only seem to find murder objectionable if a hypocritical Christian is calling for it, I see I was in error. > > I would point out, however, that: it appears to take a great deal more for Robertson to call for murder than it does for you; he appears to be much more concerned for the lives of human beings in general than you do; he only rarely feels murder is justified, whereas you seem to have a much lower threshold (to say the least). > > Therefore, I would suggest that even the likes of Robertson (of whom I am no kind of fan) is far superior to you in terms of overall human worth, and that the world is far better off with the likes of him than it is with the likes of you. Dude, What the Fuck? It’s just a thread title – it’s not an all-encompasing statement of my philosophy. It’s a play on the golden rule, OK? Jesus Christ, get a grip! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/165 "2005-08-25T18:07:50Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Sorry. I guess you’re not a hypocrite after all. I had indeed assumed you were a person with a high regard for life and a moral standard more or less in accordance with that. However, now that I see I was wrong and that you apparently hold no particular regard for human life in general, and that you only seem to find murder objectionable if a hypocritical Christian is calling for it, I see I was in error. > > I would point out, however, that: it appears to take a great deal more for Robertson to call for murder than it does for you; he appears to be much more concerned for the lives of human beings in general than you do; he only rarely feels murder is justified, whereas you seem to have a much lower threshold (to say the least). > > Therefore, I would suggest that even the likes of Robertson (of whom I am no kind of fan) is far superior to you in terms of overall human worth, and that the world is far better off with the likes of him than it is with the likes of you. You’re kinda going off the rail here, **SA**. It’s Pat Robertson we’re talking about here. Wishing that he die can’t really be considered wishing death on a fellow human being, can it? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/166 "2005-08-25T18:45:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You’re kinda going off the rail here, **SA**. It’s Pat Robertson we’re talking about here. Wishing that he die can’t really be considered wishing death on a fellow human being, can it? As Robertson has made clear he didn’t mean anything about murdering anyone anyways. Therefore, “same to you” doesn’t either. QED. Case Closed. Sic Semper Tyrannus. Veni vidi vici. Badaboom badabing. Whoever smelt it dealt it. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/167 "2005-08-25T19:12:07Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > As Robertson has made clear he didn’t mean anything about murdering anyone anyways. You _sure_ about that? “You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war.” – Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, August 22, 2005 ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/168 "2005-08-25T19:15:11Z")
Let me be the first to say to rjung…whooooosh… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/169 "2005-08-25T19:29:31Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Let me be the first to say to rjung…whooooosh… Apart from that, his statement was clearly factual. It is cheaper to assassinate someone than start a war. If only Dubya had done so… Ah well, “progress” and all that. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/170 "2005-08-25T19:37:56Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Apart from that, his statement was clearly factual. It is cheaper to assassinate someone than start a war. > > If only Dubya had done so… > > Ah well, “progress” and all that. > > -Joe But if he had assisinated Sadam, he would not have been able to prance around in a flight suit on a carrier off the coast of california in front of a big banner saying mission accomplished right before the mission got started. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/171 "2005-08-25T19:38:37Z")
I just want to say I came here from a very conservative Christian message board (ie Mr. Robertson’s demographic) and the reaction there seems to be pretty uniformaly one of disgust. Even by people who were willing to justify his original statement. I mean…someone compared him to Clinton!! Perhaps this will be his long overdue ondoing. Just my cheerful thought for the day. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/172 "2005-08-25T19:46:00Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > I just want to say I came here from a very conservative Christian message board (ie Mr. Robertson’s demographic) and the reaction there seems to be pretty uniformaly one of disgust. Even by people who were willing to justify his original statement. I mean…someone compared him to Clinton!! > > Perhaps this will be his long overdue ondoing. Just my cheerful thought for the day. I’ll believe that demographic has left him when his show is off the air and Robertson himself is penniless because people have stopped shoveling money at him. Let me know when that happens. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/173 "2005-08-25T20:48:17Z")
> [@Danalan](#): > > Dude, What the Fuck? > > It’s just a thread title – it’s not an all-encompasing statement of my philosophy. It’s a play on the golden rule, OK? Sorry, but when you replied as follows, I thought you were indeed giving a clear statement as to your philosophy. As you may recall, you said: Originally Posted by **Danalan** : “I’m not a Christian, and **don’t claim to hold high regard for human life**. I also say **it’s unfortunate that Chavez doesn’t respond in kind**.” [Bolding mine] That is what’s the fuck, Dude. You say in so many words that you don’t hold human life in high regard, and then you say you feel it’s unfortunate that Chavez (who for all you know may one day play a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists) doesn’t call for the assassination of Robertson. This makes you sound like a much more uncaring and heartless creature than Robertson ever thought of being. Perhaps you overstated your position. Many of us here have done so, myself included. If so, perhaps it would be a good idea to clarify your position now. If not and your position is truly as you say it is above, then my original assessment of you still stands. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/174 "2005-08-25T21:02:01Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > The Pentagon **is** in Virginia, you brainless piece of beaver shit. Considering Rumsfeld’s address: Donald H. Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense 1000 Defense Pentagon \*\*Washington, DC \*\* 20301-1000 I would say you are the brainless piece of beaver shit. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/175 "2005-08-25T21:23:24Z")
Stationery aside, the Pentagon _is_ in Arlington, Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/176 "2005-08-25T21:34:27Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > That is what’s the fuck, Dude. You say in so many words that you don’t hold human life in high regard, and then you say you feel it’s unfortunate that Chavez (who for all you know may one day play a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists) doesn’t call for the assassination of Robertson. This makes you sound like a much more uncaring and heartless creature than Robertson ever thought of being. Are you retarded or just…oh fuck, you’re just retarded. I fear Ronald McDonald and Willie Nelson (fuckin Socialist Lefty) are also threats. Either one of them “may one day play a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists.” Then again, some day one of them Muslims may kidnap me, put a chip in my head, and remote control me into playing “a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists.” It might happen to you! Maybe Dick Cheney has one of them Muslim Remote Control Chips of Death in his pacemaker! Maybe he’ll be next! It could be **ANYONE**! Holy fuck! We’re all gonna die! Trust nobody! Kill your mother before THEY CAN GET TO HER! YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYONE BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU! YOU NEVER KNOW WHO COULD BE A CLOSET MUSLIM EXTREMIST! OH MY GOD! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! Idiot. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/177 "2005-08-25T21:48:15Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Considering Rumsfeld’s address: > > Donald H. Rumsfeld > Secretary of Defense > 1000 Defense Pentagon > \*\*Washington, DC \*\* 20301-1000 > > I would say you are the brainless piece of beaver shit. Ask anyone who’s been there, pardner. It’s in Virginia. That DC address is just the mail de-anthraxification facility. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/178 "2005-08-25T21:53:37Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Hey now, be fair. He also mentioned a ‘wrecked’ economy and the spectre of a communist, Islamist South America. Speaking of which, I’m also worried about a communist, Islamist Vatican City. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/179 "2005-08-25T23:04:55Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Are you retarded or just…oh fuck, you’re just retarded. > > I fear Ronald McDonald and Willie Nelson (fuckin Socialist Lefty) are also threats. Either one of them “may one day play a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists.” > > Then again, some day one of them Muslims may kidnap me, put a chip in my head, and remote control me into playing “a key role in facilitating a huge terror attack on the U.S. through collusion with Muslim extremists.” > > It might happen to you! Maybe Dick Cheney has one of them Muslim Remote Control Chips of Death in his pacemaker! Maybe he’ll be next! > > It could be **ANYONE**! Holy fuck! We’re all gonna die! Trust nobody! Kill your mother before THEY CAN GET TO HER! YOU HAVE TO GET EVERYONE BEFORE THEY GET TO YOU! YOU NEVER KNOW WHO COULD BE A CLOSET MUSLIM EXTREMIST! > > OH MY GOD! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! > > Idiot. > > -Joe Ahem…However difficult it may be to argue with such a persuasive diatribe, if you will recall, such concerns about Chavez were in large part the basis for Robertson’s comments, thus relevant to the discussion at hand. Schmuck! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2005, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228/180 "2005-08-25T23:10:00Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Ahem…However difficult it may be to argue with such a persuasive diatribe, if you will recall, such concerns about Chavez were in large part the basis for Robertson’s comments, thus relevant to the discussion at hand. And the information that made Robertson’s concerns legit was… ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/same-to-you-pat-robertson/318228.md?page=10)