# "SamuelA" Taken to Task **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405 "2019-08-09T11:54:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/1 "2019-08-09T11:54:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I had a thought the other day. If you’re an oppressed minority, perpetually subject to discrimination, and you look the same as the people oppressing you, there’s an obvious thing to try. > > Just convert to the dominant culture, and teach your children it’s mannerisms. Marry off your children into the dominant culture’s families. In a generation or 2, nobody will know the difference. So, your “solution” is for minorities to forsake their cultural identities; indeed, their ENTIRE culture, in order to blend into a hostile, Fascist dominant group and basically hide there?! What is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/2 "2019-08-09T12:05:27Z")
“B” for effort, but your assignment is late, so I’m afraid your grade is “D+” for this paper. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/3 "2019-08-09T12:05:42Z")
That’s a surprisingly honest and common position that a lot of whites have, even if they don’t necessarily consider themselves racist. In fact, I would submit that it comes from a place consciously avoiding racism. The assumption on his part isn’t that non-whites are different and should therefore be separated from white society; rather, it’s that they’re different but they can be “white” like us, so why don’t they just whiten up? People like SamA probably don’t recognize the subconscious racism of suggesting that people give up their own culture in exchange for being whiter. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/4 "2019-08-09T12:14:15Z")
They could try being Irish or Italian for awhile. Just to see if they like it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/5 "2019-08-09T12:22:35Z")
I remember reading that which was quoted in the OP. That’s the most counter productive advice since Bobby Knight’s “Lie back and enjoy it” bit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/6 "2019-08-09T13:25:40Z")
Didn’t the Ainu and other minorities (“Eta” and Koreans) in Japan already try Sam’s “advice” to no avail. When I lived in Japan, there were outfits hiring out to investigate someone’s prospective spouse to make sure they were “really Japanese”. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/7 "2019-08-09T13:37:43Z")
Link to the quote? Also, he’s still suspended. Why not wait until he comes back before you start a new pit thread? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/8 "2019-08-09T13:44:03Z")
“Have you tried _not_ being a mutant?” ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/9 "2019-08-09T13:49:00Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Also, he’s still suspended. Why not wait until he comes back before you start a new pit thread? His suspension will be up tomorrow, so he doesn’t have the opportunity to reply yet. There’s also an existing Pit thread that might be a better place for this. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=843654](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=843654) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/10 "2019-08-09T13:50:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > His suspension will be up tomorrow, so he doesn’t have the opportunity to reply yet. Breath baited. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/11 "2019-08-09T13:59:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Breath baited. Are you chewing worms? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/12 "2019-08-09T14:00:25Z")
:smack: I am now. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/13 "2019-08-09T14:02:29Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > They could try being Irish or Italian for awhile. Just to see if they like it. I didn’t know that was an option. I’m white, but I wouldn’t mind trying to be Hawaiian for a while. Now, am I correct in assuming there will be free transportation back to where I came from? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/14 "2019-08-09T14:20:00Z")
Yeah, here’s a snorkel and flappy feet things. No charge. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/15 "2019-08-09T15:00:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Yeah, here’s a snorkel and flappy feet things. No charge. 🙂 Hey, leave my mother-in-law\* out of it. \*) Sorry, Carol. Nothing personal, it’s just tradition. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/16 "2019-08-09T15:38:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > There’s also an existing Pit thread that might be a better place for this. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=843654](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=843654) Nah. That thread was getting overloaded with stuff unrelated to the reason the OP pitted him. And after the threads get to a certain size, I think a lot of people tune out. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/17 "2019-08-09T17:30:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Nah. That thread was getting overloaded with stuff unrelated to the reason the OP pitted him. And after the threads get to a certain size, I think a lot of people tune out. Nonsense! A great thread, like the one dedicated to pitting SamuelA, is like a long, magnificent river. As it meanders the great expanse of its many miles, its nature changes – here a perhaps a rush of rapids, there a vast plain of slow-moving water – but it is always the same water, always the same river. It’s all connected, all dedicated to the singular purpose – in the case of SamuelA – to celebrating the breathtaking combination of vapid ignorance and oblivious arrogance that has created such a sensation. It’s a shame not to keep it all in one place, if only for posterity, so that those who come after us may know what we have endured. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/18 "2019-08-09T18:39:13Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Nonsense! A great thread, like the one dedicated to pitting SamuelA, is like a long, magnificent river. As it meanders the great expanse of its many miles, its nature changes – here a perhaps a rush of rapids, there a vast plain of slow-moving water – but it is always the same water, always the same river. It’s all connected, all dedicated to the singular purpose – in the case of SamuelA – to celebrating the breathtaking combination of vapid ignorance and oblivious arrogance that has created such a sensation. It’s a shame not to keep it all in one place, if only for posterity, so that those who come after us may know what we have endured. The pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Heraclitus of Ephesus was quoted as saying, “You could never post twice in the same forum thread.” Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/19 "2019-08-09T21:15:47Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Heraclitus of Ephesus was quoted as saying, “You could never post twice in the same forum thread.” Or something like that. Heraclitus of Ephesuswas an ass. The whole length of a river is obviously the same river – that’s why it has the same name. I bet if I peed in his river and then asked Heraclitus to take a drink out if it, he’d sing a different tune. That’s the problem with philosophy: it isn’t practical. When Socrates learned that he was going to be put to death, his followers reminded him that he had proved that death, being a state of non-being, does not exist, and therefore nothing to be feared. According to the acclaimed historian Woody Allen, Socrates responded: “Hey listen – I’ve proved a lot of things. That’s how I pay my rent. Theories and little observations. A puckish remark now and then. Occasional maxims. It beats picking olives, but let’s not get carried away.” Philosophers! Bah! Forsooth! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405/20 "2019-08-09T22:38:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Nah. That thread was getting overloaded with stuff unrelated to the reason the OP pitted him. And after the threads get to a certain size, I think a lot of people tune out. There may or may not be a certain snack-related activity going on, but I think you’ll find that the thread is devoted laying scorn and derision upon Sammy. On the other hand, there’s no reason we can’t have 2 threads. The man’s a dangerous idiot. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/samuela-taken-to-task/838405.md?page=2)