# San Diego Gay Men's Chorus prevented from singing at Padres game **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 25, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642 "2016-05-25T11:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/21 "2016-05-25T22:59:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Why are they allowed to discriminate against straights? > > Do you think they would allow the San Diego, All Straight white Men’s Choir" to sing? > > No seriously. Kansas city has a gay mens choir also and its always struck me funny how they can brag about being all gay yet thats NOT discriminating? > > If they just said all men thats different. When 99.99% of choirs are straight how can you possibly be offended by the .01% and feel they are discriminating? How insecure must you be? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/22 "2016-05-25T23:06:44Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > When the incidents of homophobia decrease enough that we can reasonably speculate its not, then the assumption won’t be made. Until then, its a good rule of thumb to assume it is because there’s so god damn much of it That’s what the Padres did. They fired a guy based on your rule of thumb. An innocent working stiff that made an honest mistake, owned it, and tried to set it straight with those who were offended. Knee jerk reactions usually make someone, or some group, look rather foolish, as do the Padres here. ---
**Author:** ![DeepLiquid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deepliquid/32/14893_2.png) [@DeepLiquid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeepLiquid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/23 "2016-05-25T23:12:38Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > When 99.99% of choirs are straight how can you possibly be offended by the .01% and feel they are discriminating? How insecure must you be? When people whine about “why are there gay pride, black history month, womens history month”, it brings to mind “why aren’t there any able bodied parking spaces in the grocery store parking lot, why can’t WE have marked parking spots??” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/24 "2016-05-25T23:13:25Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The heckle of “you sing like a girl” that so upset the chorus director seems pretty harmless considering a female singing was played. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that vocal homophobes still exist. I don’t know what the Padres can do about it barring putting a muzzle on fans as they enter the ballpark. The team reacted immediately and appropriately to what was under their control. I read about this the day after it happened, and the Padres had already apologized and etc. I don’t know what more anyone can ask. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/25 "2016-05-25T23:21:44Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Why are they allowed to discriminate against straights? > > Do you think they would allow the San Diego, All Straight white Men’s Choir" to sing? > > No seriously. Kansas city has a gay mens choir also and its always struck me funny how they can brag about being all gay yet thats NOT discriminating? > > If they just said all men thats different. I can’t seem to find any specific information about the San Diego Gay Men’s Chorus, but the [San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Gay_Men%27s_Chorus), the original gay men’s chorus and model for all of the others, is open to all men who audition successfully. Being gay is not a requirement. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/26 "2016-05-25T23:31:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > An innocent working stiff that made an honest mistake, owned it, and tried to set it straight with those who were offended. I haven’t seen evidence for any part of that interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/27 "2016-05-25T23:41:16Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No seriously. Kansas city has a gay mens choir also and its always struck me funny how they can brag about being all gay yet thats NOT discriminating? Maybe because they’re not discriminating? According to [this article](http://hmckc.org/are-we-there-yet-mens-choir-takes-on-new-challenges-in-a-rapidly-changing-world/) about the Heartland Men’s Chorus (Kansas City’s Gay Men’s Chorus): > [@](#): > > We have straight men who sing in the chorus. And I regularly have guys asking, Do I have to be gay to sing in that? And I always say no, we welcome anybody. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/28 "2016-05-25T23:48:11Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > Maybe because they’re not discriminating? According to [this article](http://hmckc.org/are-we-there-yet-mens-choir-takes-on-new-challenges-in-a-rapidly-changing-world/) about the Heartland Men’s Chorus (Kansas City’s Gay Men’s Chorus): [Basically how this topic is going](http://i.imgur.com/FF0grne.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/29 "2016-05-25T23:50:36Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I haven’t seen evidence for any part of that interpretation. here you go: > **[DJ who screwed up Padres' National Anthem explains his 'mistake' and...](https://www.outsports.com/2016/5/23/11756412/padres-gay-national-anthem-dj/)** > > DJ Artform told the Scott and BR Show that he "ruined a great moment for a lot of people" and there were no "discriminatory actions." ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/30 "2016-05-25T23:51:13Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I haven’t seen evidence for any part of that interpretation. > **[MLB News, Expert Analysis, Rumors, Live Updates, & more](https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/)** > > Sports News, Scores, Fantasy Games ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/31 "2016-05-26T00:19:51Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I haven’t seen evidence for any part of that interpretation. You have your answers. In the future, if you choose to quote me, please don’t modify, edit, or change my posts when you do it. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/32 "2016-05-26T00:32:09Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > here you go: > [DJ who screwed up Padres' National Anthem explains his 'mistake' and apologizes - Outsports](http://www.outsports.com/2016/5/23/11756412/padres-gay-national-anthem-dj) Thanks. I admit, that does put it in a new light. I’m still not clear how it didn’t get quickly faded when the error was clear, nor why there was no gesture at apology by anyone at the time. But I’ll accept that the San Diego Padres game production team really is just worse than I thought possible. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/33 "2016-05-26T00:40:05Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > In the future, if you choose to quote me, please don’t modify, edit, or change my posts when you do it. Editing posts as **Peremensoe** did is absolutely allowed by the rules of the SDMB. As I demonstrate below. . . > [@Peremensoe](#): > > I’m still not clear how it didn’t get quickly faded when the error was clear, … Because of people like the OP, and you, who chose to see injury despite all efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/34 "2016-05-26T00:43:29Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > In the future, if you choose to quote me, please don’t modify, edit, or change my posts when you do it. I quoted precisely the sentence I was responding to. I try to always snip quotes to the shortest relevant text, in the service of strict clarity, and avoiding obnoxious useless redundancy. To my understanding this practice is fully within board rules, and I believe it is the most courteous to readers. (There is always the link-back button for anyone who needs a fuller context.) ETA: Ah, thanks **Frank**. > [@Frank](#): > > Because of people like the OP, and you, who chose to see injury despite all efforts. There _was_ injury. The only questions were how and why. Malice, or accident. So, OK, maybe it really was an accident. Still, why let it go on? Why not fade it, _announce_ the mistake and apologize, to chorus and crowd alike, then and there, and then do it right? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/35 "2016-05-26T00:49:52Z")
In short, I still don’t see “all efforts” to salvage the situation. None at all, at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/36 "2016-05-26T00:53:55Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Editing posts as **Peremensoe** did is absolutely allowed by the rules of the SDMB. As I demonstrate below. . . > Because of people like the OP, and you, who chose to see injury despite all efforts. I guess you missed ED’s ruling… _Do not change quotes of other posters or off-board citations beyond fair usage standards. If you delete material, use either ellipses or descriptive tags (e.g., \, [material deleted], etc.) to indicate you’ve done so. …_ ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/37 "2016-05-26T00:58:11Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > In short, I still don’t see “all efforts” to salvage the situation. None at all, at the time. What, you mean within 30 seconds? Or a minute? Do you think the CEO of the Padres was in a position to dash to the booth and take over direct control of what music was playing? Then to dash to the announcer’s booth to apologize? Or should he have dashed to the announcer’s booth first, then to stop the music? I’m assuming he has a flash drive containing the correct music in his pocket ready to go. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/38 "2016-05-26T01:02:37Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I guess you missed ED’s ruling… > > _Do not change quotes of other posters or off-board citations beyond fair usage standards. If you delete material, use either ellipses or descriptive tags (e.g., \, [material deleted], etc.) to indicate you’ve done so. …_ This has never applied to complete sentences. Posts have been snipped this way ever since I’ve been on this message board, and your view would completely change the way the rule has been applied since 2002. Thanks for the non-link to “ED’s ruling”. If you wish to argue the point, please start a thread in ATMB. I will not continue to post on the subject here. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/39 "2016-05-26T01:04:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > This has never applied to complete sentences. Posts have been snipped this way ever since I’ve been on this message board, and your view would completely change the way the rule has been applied since 2002. > > Thanks for the non-link to “ED’s ruling”. > > If you wish to argue the point, please start a thread in ATMB. I will not continue to post on the subject here. This has been done to death in ATMB. Most people understand the rule. ETA, here’s another one. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7697048&postcount=11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7697048&postcount=11) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642/40 "2016-05-26T02:54:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You have your answers. In the future, if you choose to quote me, please don’t modify, edit, or change my posts when you do it. > > Thank you. Don’t junior mod. If you have a problem with a post and believe it breaks a rule report it. If you have a question about a rule start an ATMB thread. In this case I see no problem with how you were quoted. No one continue this hijack. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/san-diego-gay-mens-chorus-prevented-from-singing-at-padres-game/755642.md?page=3)