# Sanctions against Russia (and Belarus) for 2022 Ukraine invasion: Omnibus thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [March 4, 2022, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452 "2022-03-04T10:33:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/21 "2022-03-07T02:17:03Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > On the other hand I don’t believe that sanctions will actually accomplish anything regarding Putin and his ilk, until they actually impact resource availability at his level. One area where sanctions are likely to bite is the chips and similar electronic doo-dads, needed to replace war materiel. As the Russians lose equipment in Ukraine and need to rebuild, if they don’t have access to modern chips, that can undercut their ability to rebuild. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/22 "2022-03-07T02:22:38Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > One area where sanctions are likely to bite is the chips and similar electronic doo-dads, needed to replace war materiel. As the Russians lose equipment in Ukraine and need to rebuild, if they don’t have access to modern chips, that can undercut their ability to rebuild. Well, true enough but I suspect that its greatest impact will be just to allow/cause Russia’s invasion to take longer. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/23 "2022-03-10T03:46:13Z")
Sanctions start to bite ordinary Russians: > **['I'm In Shock': Russians Brace For Hardship As Putin's War On Ukraine Plunges...](https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-economic-shock-hardship-ukraine-invasion/31732913.html)** > > Russia’s economy could contract by double digits this year as it is isolated by the West, one analyst said. Predictions of inflation hitting 30%. House-buying out of reach due to interest rates. Ick. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/24 "2022-03-10T17:27:15Z")
Too bad, so sad. They need to wake up and do something about their country (easier said than done, I know). ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/25 "2022-03-10T17:34:18Z")
Here’s a list of at least some of the companies that are removing themselves from Russia/Belarus. It’s a gifted link, so it should work for everyone for the next couple weeks: > **[Companies Are Getting Out of Russia, Sometimes at a Cost](https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia-invasion-companies.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxfs1nGP_JyyYDixf1P8UCs2B_VnEfqtkYZ442DGDTdlAPaRpROB3yqUXGX1RfDSSg8nOnoUZcWJyoJivX2gy0tXADOxgrWXhNizjdLkjgeDitEvDYDK9WbiO2XwqLFpjoJdvcg66yDdfkPe-Z-1w0td52vgqAIkrBmtTIXnX4IS7Tkl2K96EbRrD6wMpW-g_WT_bn9WU6rpoYxwFQBudDys5uTBgnYsabNAHP6__LAoifd78idgSDG9pL4SrB_4hVr6g_Zat53lr4K_wRc9s4Cw&smid=url-share)** > > Under pressure from investors and consumers, many Western companies are unwinding their investments, closing stores and pausing sales in Russia. Goldman Sachs just announced they were leaving Russia too. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/26 "2022-03-13T15:22:45Z")
Some developments in Britain: sanctioned oligarchs frozen out of companies they helped create; British business players being pressured to resign from boards of Russian based companies operating in the west. > **[Oligarch who said sanctions wouldn't help frozen out of firm](https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60645278?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=@BBCBusiness&at_custom1=%5Bpost%20type%5D&at_custom4=BEAD7AD8-9DFF-11EC-9B6B-83FA4744363C)** > > Investment firm LetterOne said Mikhail Fridman's shareholdings had been "frozen indefinitely". ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/27 "2022-03-13T20:47:40Z")
Further to the Visa/Mastercard issue noted above, Russian tourists in some SE Asian countries, notably Thailand and Indonesia (Bali), are unable to access any cash from ATMs. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/28 "2022-03-14T01:28:19Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Further to the Visa/Mastercard issue noted above, Russian tourists in some SE Asian countries, notably Thailand and Indonesia (Bali), are unable to access any cash from ATMs You think maybe we’re going too far with this? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/29 "2022-03-14T03:56:19Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > You think maybe we’re going too far with this? No. Let them go home and tell everyone they know that Putin has screwed up, and the world is now essentially off limits to Russians. Enjoy your lineups for essentials. Putin has a hate -on against Western things? Fine then - No Russians will be allowed to have Western things. Don’t like this? Then get rid of Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/30 "2022-03-14T11:40:16Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > You think maybe we’re going too far with this? no… and I hope this happens on a way broader scale - with 100s of 1000s of russians stranded worldwide… that might turn up the heat for Mr.P. somewhat and open another headache for him. And I hope that 99% of those stranded are Karens 😉 and it’s just a “_Russians, brace yourself for what your future life will be like again_” No more Thai vacations, its back to your dacha in Sochi ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/31 "2022-03-14T12:33:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No. Let them go home and tell everyone they know that Putin has screwed up, and the world is now essentially off limits to Russians. Enjoy your lineups for essentials. > > Putin has a hate -on against Western things? Fine then - No Russians will be allowed to have Western things. Don’t like this? Then get rid of Putin. At this point, would those guys want to go home? I wonder whether they’d be better off staying in Thailand or Indonesia, assuming those governments let them stay, rather than going home. Is a typical Russian better off being an illegal immigrant in Indonesia or being back at home? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/32 "2022-03-14T15:22:44Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Is a typical Russian better off being an illegal immigrant in Indonesia or being back at home? One of my freelancers in Russia wants to leave but she has elderly parents to take care of. I don’t think many Westerners appreciate how difficult pulling up roots and leaving one’s country (and family, even if it is an extended one) really is. People who say, “why don’t they just leave?” haven’t stopped to put themselves in the dissident’s shoes. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/33 "2022-03-14T15:31:56Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > People who say, “why don’t they just leave?” haven’t stopped to put themselves in the dissident’s shoes. Yup, my Wife and I are going to get out of the mountains when we retire. Just us, no kids. We’ve lived in our first and only house for 30 years. The thought of leaving is daunting to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/34 "2022-03-14T15:55:52Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sanctions start to bite ordinary Russians: Very interesting article, though I found the opinion of the interviewee at the end both interesting and telling: “I’m against the war in Ukraine,” he said. “Why was it necessary to take this drastic action [and] bring about this crazy economic downturn? They should have reached an agreement.” I wonder what sort of “agreement” he thought would be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/35 "2022-03-14T16:26:02Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > I wonder what sort of “agreement” he thought would be appropriate. Submission, probably. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/36 "2022-03-14T17:49:28Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > One of my freelancers in Russia wants to leave but she has elderly parents to take care of. I don’t think many Westerners appreciate how difficult pulling up roots and leaving one’s country (and family, even if it is an extended one) really is. People who say, “why don’t they just leave?” haven’t stopped to put themselves in the dissident’s shoes. I’m sure it’s difficult, but in this particular case I was referring to those that had already left, if only on vacation, and were caught while already away. They might be better off staying where they are and building a new life for themselves, even if where they are is Thailand or Indonesia rather than Europe. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/37 "2022-03-14T18:11:24Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > They might be better off staying where they are and building a new life for themselves, even if where they are is Thailand or Indonesia rather than Europe. How are they going to do that without access to any money, without speaking the language, and without a work visa? Those are all barriers. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/38 "2022-03-14T18:54:27Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > How are they going to do that without access to any money, without speaking the language, and without a work visa? Those are all barriers. The same way the Hondurans, Guatemalans, Salvadorenos, etc. who come to the US without a visa do it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/39 "2022-03-14T18:57:08Z")
> US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said they were “communicating directly, privately to Beijing that there will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them”. “We will not allow that to go forward and allow there to be a lifeline to Russia from these economic sanctions from any country, anywhere in the world,” he said. > **[Ukraine crisis: US warns China against helping Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60732486)** > > US officials say Russia asked China for military support and help in evading sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-against-russia-and-belarus-for-2022-ukraine-invasion-omnibus-thread/960452/40 "2022-03-14T20:30:43Z")
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