# Sanctions on Russia for invading Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [February 23, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007 "2022-02-23T14:17:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/262 "2022-03-03T19:50:39Z")
Yes, that could also be the concern! There are several different narratives on this issue, and I’m not sure which scenario is most credible. Anyway, here is a [quote](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/02/politics/russia-oil-exports-sanctions-ukraine-cnntv/index.html): White House press secretary Jen Psaki had also said the possibility of the US sanctioning Russian oil exports was “still on the table” earlier Wednesday. Taking such a step would be an extraordinary measure that could have an intense effect on domestic gas prices, however, and Psaki made clear that the White House’s top priority is to minimize the impact at home. “What (Biden) does not want to do is topple the global oil markets or the global marketplace or impact the American people more with higher energy and gas prices,” Psaki told CNN’s John Berman on “New Day.” “That’s something we heavily weigh. It’s still on the table. It’s not off the table. But again, that’s how the President looks at this as we’re announcing and pursuing additional steps,” she added. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/263 "2022-03-03T19:53:44Z")
Is there an impact of current shipping bottlenecks on oil’s fungibility? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/264 "2022-03-03T19:59:09Z")
> [@Chad\_Sudan](#): > > In their eyes that’s sacrificing too much to punish Russia. Sadly, they are right. “We support Ukraine completely and totally” “OK, it will cost you an extra 50 cents per gallon at the pump” “WHAT? Fuck that noise, I’m voting Democrats out of office” People are stupid.l ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/265 "2022-03-03T19:59:10Z")
Looks like they are talking about sanctioning all Russian oil exports, not the US imports. Yes, that’s a bigger deal. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/266 "2022-03-03T20:01:05Z")
Your average private Russian citizen isn’t having his assets seized. Russian billionaires who have influence in government are having their assets seized. Given that they’re all robber barons who have mostly come by their wealth through rampant corruption in the first place, I won’t be shedding any tears over their losses. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/267 "2022-03-03T20:28:12Z")
Could Turkey seal off the Bosporus indefinitely to all Russian maritime traffic going in and out, and would that be legal/cause for war? That might do a major number on Russia’s trade in the south. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/268 "2022-03-03T20:42:09Z")
Pretty sure there are maritime treaties requiring Turkey to not block the Black Sea to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/269 "2022-03-03T20:43:53Z")
May not hold up though as long as Russia is illegally occupying parts of Ukraine. If you’re a rogue state warring on other, those treaties don’t have to apply. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/270 "2022-03-03T20:51:47Z")
A naval blockade is a serious step above refusing to buy or sell things. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/271 "2022-03-03T20:53:43Z")
No argument there, but worrying about the maritime treaties should not be the issue. Only if NATO is ready to escalate things is the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/272 "2022-03-03T20:55:30Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > A naval blockade is a serious step above refusing to buy or sell things and far short of nuking the sons of bitches. So, seems like a reasonable middle ground. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/273 "2022-03-03T21:12:49Z")
Haven’t Turkey already done this? > **[How Turkey Blocking Russia From The Black Sea Harms Neutral States](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgoldenziel/2022/03/02/how-turkeys-blocking-russia-from-the-black-sea-harms-neutral-states/?sh=130dde50aa6d)** > > Turkey has implemented an international law to block Russian warships from entering the Black Sea. But it's blocking neutral warships too—and its actions could ignite tensions in the region. > **[Turkey bans Russian warships from entering Black Sea](https://www.azernews.az/region/190108.html)** > > Foreign Minister Cavusoglu has said that Turkey has banned the Russian warships to enter the Black Sea, Yeni Shafak has reported. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/274 "2022-03-03T21:45:18Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Is there an impact of current shipping bottlenecks on oil’s fungibility? What if we make an nft out of it? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/275 "2022-03-03T21:59:28Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Haven’t Turkey already done this? Warships yes. Commercial shipping - not yet. I would be in favor of this - and if Russia does not like it, they can take it to an international court, who will hear the case as soon as their military leaves Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/276 "2022-03-03T22:01:53Z")
A blockade is an act of war, this would not be the traditional style of blockade but I think Russia would take it as a blockade nonetheless ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/277 "2022-03-03T22:02:01Z")
Exactly. 100% agree. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/278 "2022-03-03T22:03:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I would be in favor of this - and if Russia does not like it, they can take it to an international court, who will hear the case as soon as their military leaves Ukraine. Agreed. Russia really can’t complain about anything the civilized world decides to do them while they are committing a totally unjustified war of aggression. Imagine the allies _not_ blocking Japanese maritime trade after Pearl Harbor. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/279 "2022-03-03T22:05:04Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > A blockade is an act of war, this would not be the traditional style of blockade but I think Russia would take it as a blockade nonetheless Then stop all commercial traffic because you have had a tip that the ships contain drugs/terrorists/weapons/slave workers. Search them carefully. Very carefully. Could take a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/280 "2022-03-03T22:10:00Z")
I don’t think that would fool anybody, you can’t do rule - lawyering un this kindnof situation, if Turkey stops all Russian commerce into the Black Sea then the Russians would take it as an act of war no matter the excuses. I guess Turkey could just start stopping _some_ russian ships and not all, always birdering into actually closing the straits without never doing it completely, but sooner or later the balloon would go up. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007/281 "2022-03-03T22:16:09Z")
Short of dropping a nuke onto Turkey, what’s Putin going to do? Send another column of broken tanks that break down halfway to Turkey? Russia’s army has had the potemkin village shell torn off. It’s rotten underneath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctions-on-russia-for-invading-ukraine/960007.md?page=15)