# Sanctuary Cities **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398 "2017-03-31T04:01:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398/101 "2017-04-02T20:01:03Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Slavery is a crime against humanity, but it, too, was accepted for a long time (and in some places or among some people still is). A has the attribute B, therefore A = C. D has the attribute B, therefore D = C. _ **BZZZZZZZZZT!!!** _ Unless you stipulate that everything that has the attribute B is C. Everything that was accepted for a long time is a crime against humanity. I don’t think so… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398/102 "2017-04-02T22:34:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Don’t many of them pay into the system using stolen SS numbers? > [@DrFidelius](#): > > I believe Social Security fraud is also enforced on the Federal level. > > Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T377A using Tapatalk Mostly with [fictional](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/) rather than stolen numbers. They fund the system with money they will likely never get back out. The government has no problem with these workers putting their money in and will not prosecute that as fraud. Even when the number belongs to someone else they are merely causing that other individual to be credited with paying more in than they did. > [@](#): > > … It works like this: Many immigrants who aren’t authorized to work in the United States buy fake Social Security cards and present them to their employers, who either don’t know they are fake or don’t look too closely. When the employer submits a W-2 form and a tax payment on those workers’ behalf to the Social Security Administration, the federal government holds onto those payroll taxes, even if the Social Security number isn’t linked to anyone on file. And then, a large chunk of that money ends up in the Social Security trust funds, from which retirement benefits are doled out to aging Americans. > > The Social Security system has grown increasingly reliant on this stream of revenue, particularly as aging Baby Boomers start to retire. Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, estimates that about 1.8 million immigrants were working with fake or stolen Social Security cards in 2010, and he expects that number to reach 3.4 million by 2040. He calculates that undocumented immigrants paid $13 billion into the retirement trust fund that year, and only got about $1 billion in benefits. “We estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010,” Gross concluded in a 2013 review of the impact of undocumented immigrants on Social Security. … ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398/103 "2017-04-02T23:24:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > A has the attribute B, therefore A = C. > > D has the attribute B, therefore D = C. _ **BZZZZZZZZZT!!!** _ > > Unless you stipulate that everything that has the attribute B is C. Everything that was accepted for a long time is a crime against humanity. I don’t think so… You’re being completely incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398/104 "2017-04-03T00:24:41Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > You’re being completely incoherent. He’s being a little silly but you have a lot of work to justify “borders are a crime against humanity” and saying “people used to think slavery is ok” doesn’t even remotely cut it. It borders on non sequitur (i.e. you are at least as incoherent) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanctuary-cities/783398.md?page=5)