# Sanderista primaries out 10-term Dem Congressman **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 27, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850 "2018-06-27T17:45:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/381 "2018-08-24T15:44:53Z")
But she’s new! She’s exciting! She’s passionate! She’s also stupid, misinformed, and hypocritical. But if I had to choose between her face, and Bernie Sanders’ face, I know which way I’d go. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/382 "2018-08-24T15:51:49Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But she’s new! She’s exciting! She’s passionate! …she makes Fox News and its viewers go insane! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/383 "2018-08-24T16:00:21Z")
Thankfully she’s no longer the flavor of the month with most of her endorsed candidates flaming out spectacularly. I noticed a lot of law firm donations to her campaign. I wonder if any of them are working on anti ride share litigation or legislation? Seems like you can always find taxi union money behind every anti-Uber candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/384 "2018-09-05T03:37:25Z")
Progressive Ayanna Pressley has defeated 10-time Congressman Michael Capuano to win the Democratic primary in the Massachusetts district once represented by John F. Kennedy. She could be the first African American woman to represent Massachusetts in Congress. > **[Ayanna Pressley Upsets Capuano in Massachusetts House Race (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/us/politics/ayanna-pressley-massachusetts.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)** > > Mr. Capuano, a 10-term incumbent, conceded to Ms. Pressley after a primary campaign in which she insisted that “change can’t wait.’’ ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/385 "2018-09-05T06:39:27Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I am more concerned about democratic socialism than Trump because he is a personality while demsoc is an ideology that has some staying power even amongst a large swath of Trump supporters. > > Trump is attacked for being evil all the time, it is assumed that he is bad. Demsocs are assumed to be good This is a good description of my fears for the long term changes(say,20-30 years). Trump is an idiot, and will be gone in a couple years. But the Sanderista agenda in the Democratic party will eventually rule -and for a long time. Some of which is good, of course–(medicare for all, just like every other country in the world, a higher minumum wage.) But other changes are deeply worrying to me: identity politics will reign supreme, political correctness will be enforced by law, dissent will be squashed(possibly by being defined as hate speech),and a new McCarthyism will sweep the land. Right now, there have been only minor incidents, usually confined to college campuses. (and Foxnews sure loves to exaggerate them). But eventually, one of those kids crying for safe spaces and trigger warnings and protection from cultural appropriation will get elected to the White House. She may be black or hispanic, and everywhere you look, there will be diversity: diversity of skin color–but no diversity of thought. **Shodan’s** link (about a professional politician banning the press from her meetings), and the episode of the professor at Missouri U calling for ["muscle"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/01/25/i-need-some-muscle-over-here-missouri-prof-melissa-click-charged-with-assault/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.36a181a284e9)to evict the press from her protest --are minor examples–so far. But they will eventually become acceptable and normal. Trump is one individual, who will soon be is gone. But the Democratic party is an institution. After Trump is forgotten, the pendulum will swing back in the opposite direction, and stay there for a long, long time. McCarthyism only lasted about 4 years. The new McCarthyism will be worse. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/386 "2018-09-05T06:56:08Z")
The people of Massachusetts district 7 may have done a very stupid thing. Capuano certainly hasn’t gone distant from his district and his voting record reflects a representative from a D+34 district. He is, of course, guilty of being older, white, and male. Perhaps Pressley will be an effective representative. But there’s always a risk with a newcomer with no seniority nor knowledge of how to get things done in Congress. Let’s hope she’s interested in doing the hard work rather than whining about moving the widow or furthering the revolution. Thankfully for her, there’s a lot of news out there sucking the oxygen out so she’s not likely to become a media darling overnight like AOC. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/387 "2018-09-05T09:34:40Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The people of Massachusetts district 7 may have done a very stupid thing. Capuano certainly hasn’t gone distant from his district and his voting record reflects a representative from a D+34 district. He is, of course, guilty of being older, white, and male. > > Perhaps Pressley will be an effective representative. But there’s always a risk with a newcomer with no seniority nor knowledge of how to get things done in Congress. Let’s hope she’s interested in doing the hard work rather than whining about moving the widow or furthering the revolution. > > Thankfully for her, there’s a lot of news out there sucking the oxygen out so she’s not likely to become a media darling overnight like AOC. God you’re predictable. Capuano says Pressley will be a great rep. And it’s a great thing when young-ish folks of color run for high office – great for the party and for the country. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/388 "2018-09-05T15:09:39Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > She may be black or hispanic, and everywhere you look, there will be diversity: diversity of skin color–but no diversity of thought. > > **Shodan’s** link (about a professional politician banning the press from her meetings), and the episode of the professor at Missouri U calling for ["muscle"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/01/25/i-need-some-muscle-over-here-missouri-prof-melissa-click-charged-with-assault/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.36a181a284e9)to evict the press from her protest --are minor examples–so far. But they will eventually become acceptable and normal. > Trump is one individual, who will soon be is gone. But the Democratic party is an institution. After Trump is forgotten, the pendulum will swing back in the opposite direction, and stay there for a long, long time. > McCarthyism only lasted about 4 years. The new McCarthyism will be worse. So Trump banning specific reporters and calling for people to get beat up at his rallies isn’t a big deal because he’s just one guy who’ll be gone eventually but a couple of unelected people you highlight are an ominous sign of the Democratic party’s direction? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/389 "2018-09-05T15:31:48Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Perhaps Pressley will be an effective representative. But there’s always a risk with a newcomer with no seniority nor knowledge of how to get things done in Congress. Let’s hope she’s interested in doing the hard work rather than whining about moving the widow or furthering the revolution. She isn’t just some rando who fell onto the ballot, she’s been serving on the Boston city council since 2009 and previously served as a Congressional aide for Joseph Kennedy II and on John Kerry’s presidential campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/390 "2018-09-05T15:38:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > She could be the first African American woman to represent Massachusetts in Congress. > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/us/politics/ayanna-pressley-massachusetts.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/us/politics/ayanna-pressley-massachusetts.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage) I believe I heard/read that the Republicans didn’t have anyone on the ballot so it’s virtually a certainty that she’ll get that role. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/391 "2018-09-05T15:39:44Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I believe I heard/read that the Republicans didn’t have anyone on the ballot so it’s virtually a certainty that she’ll get that role. There is no Republican and it’s D +34 so she will be elected. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/392 "2018-09-05T15:42:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Capuano says Pressley will be a great rep. He’s probably right, but you do know he \*has \*to say that no matter what he thinks, don’t you? Meanwhile, the point about a freshman having to take the time to learn who to talk to and where to get something done is simply true. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/393 "2018-09-05T15:46:06Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Thankfully she’s no longer the flavor of the month with most of her endorsed candidates flaming out spectacularly. > > I noticed a lot of law firm donations to her campaign. I wonder if any of them are working on anti ride share litigation or legislation? Seems like you can always find taxi union money behind every anti-Uber candidate. There’s no such thing as “ride sharing” just like there’s no such thing as “food sharing” or “house sharing”: Uber is a taxi/livery service. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/394 "2018-09-05T16:52:27Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The people of Massachusetts district 7 may have done a very stupid thing. Capuano certainly hasn’t gone distant from his district and his voting record reflects a representative from a D+34 district. He is, of course, guilty of being older, white, and male. > Perhaps Pressley will be an effective representative. But there’s always a risk with a newcomer with no seniority nor knowledge of how to get things done in Congress. Let’s hope she’s interested in doing the hard work rather than whining about moving the widow or furthering the revolution. > > Thankfully for her, there’s a lot of news out there sucking the oxygen out so she’s not likely to become a media darling overnight like AOC. I’m one of the maybe-stupid people who voted for Pressley and I am here to tell you that you are…uninformed. There was nothing in Pressley’s campaign that was remotely “whining” or talking about “revolution.” That’s BS that you made up in your mind and projected onto her. Pressley has an effective record as a City Councilor, a role with little power in Boston. But despite the lack of power, she managed to clearly lay out goals and accomplish (many of) them. And as others already said, she served as a staffer in the House before she ran for office herself, so she knows a little about how to navigate that world. Capuano is a legit guy. I’ve voted for him many times, but I don’t OWE him my vote. And I was more impressed with Pressley’s priorities and the way she said she would tackle important issues. His experience is valuable, for sure, but that’s not the only consideration. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/395 "2018-09-05T16:54:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Meanwhile, the point about a freshman having to take the time to learn who to talk to and where to get something done is simply true. Of course it is, but that’s no reason to classify the election of a new Representative as a “very stupid thing”. The freshman learning curve is hardly unique to lefties, or black women, or anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/396 "2018-09-05T17:49:32Z")
Oh, surely, but it’s a relevant factor to consider. Even a vet has to contend with a constantly changing cast of characters around him. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/397 "2018-09-06T13:30:42Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Capuano is a legit guy. I’ve voted for him many times, but I don’t OWE him my vote. And I was more impressed with Pressley’s priorities and the way she said she would tackle important issues. His experience is valuable, for sure, but that’s not the only consideration. Too bad Pressley couldn’t have been running against and defeating Steve Lynch, leaving Capuano in place, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/398 "2018-09-06T16:57:31Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I’m one of the maybe-stupid people who voted for Pressley and I am here to tell you that you are…uninformed. There was nothing in Pressley’s campaign that was remotely “whining” or talking about “revolution.” That’s BS that you made up in your mind and projected onto her. > > Pressley has an effective record as a City Councilor, a role with little power in Boston. But despite the lack of power, she managed to clearly lay out goals and accomplish (many of) them. And as others already said, she served as a staffer in the House before she ran for office herself, so she knows a little about how to navigate that world. > > Capuano is a legit guy. I’ve voted for him many times, but I don’t OWE him my vote. And I was more impressed with Pressley’s priorities and the way she said she would tackle important issues. His experience is valuable, for sure, but that’s not the only consideration. This sums up my thoughts exactly. I didn’t decide until very late to vote for Pressley, but I’m happy with my choice and the results. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/399 "2018-09-06T20:30:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They are moving the Overton window within the party, but it’s not clear at all whether they are doing it with the general electorate. 2018 and 2020 will tell us a lot about this. Although it won’t be as simple as wins and losses. Trump could very well lose to a hardcore progressive, but given that current polling shows Joe Biden beating him by 15 points without taking any of these hard left positions, you’d have to think a 5 point win by a Liz Warren type would be a warning sign even while Democrats celebrated. [And Bernie Sanders is beating him by the same margin](https://morningconsult.com/2018/08/22/biden-sanders-have-nearly-identical-lead-over-trump-hypothetical-matchup/) (actually 13% in this poll). Reading down the list of Democrats in order of their margins over Trump, it sure looks to me like it has a lot more to do with name recognition than ideology at this point. Amusingly, [this](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/01/biden-trump-2020-elections-752979) recent poll shows Biden with a 7 point lead over Trump, which ain’t bad; but an unnamed Generic Democrat has a 13 point lead. That ain’t good (for Biden, that is; it’s great for the country). Unfortunately they didn’t ask about any other potential candidates. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/400 "2018-09-07T01:14:05Z")
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