# Sanderista primaries out 10-term Dem Congressman **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 27, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850 "2018-06-27T17:45:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/41 "2018-06-28T19:19:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Democratic voters motivated enough to vote in a Democratic primary vote for … a Democrat! Details at eleven. > > 😕 Are you one of those who equates “socialist” with “Stalinist”? What “thrown bomb” are you worried about? Voting against the next tax cut for the rich?? Nope. A bomb thrower to me is a politician who has a lot of hot air, but never actually accomplishes anything besides getting their mug in front of a camera. Maxine Waters, Jim Traficant, or Dennis Kucinich come to mind. It has nothing to do with socialism. The younger Newt Gingrinch was a bomb thrower in his early days until he got serious about trying to obtain power. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/42 "2018-06-28T19:32:19Z")
From what I can tell, midterm “safe” congressional districts in NYC get like 10-15K voter turnout in the primary; notable exception the competitive royal rumble of the 13th District where 45K+ showed up in 2014. But that is distorted because most really safe seats are uncontested or only get a token opponent. Ocasio-Crowley moved over 27k > [@DSeid](#): > > She won because she worked hard and because the mood of the district has shifted over the years. I’d also say because Crowley forgot how to compete, but I don’t think he EVER knew how. As I understand it he never had any real competition in that district. That’s what I got from someone in another NY Dem district yesterday: “She hit the street and went door to door, he got complacent.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/43 "2018-06-28T19:34:39Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > From what I can tell, midterm “safe” congressional districts in NYC get like 10-15K voter turnout in the primary, unless it is a competitive royal rumble like the 13th District where 45K+ showed up in 2014. Ocasio-Cortez’s (can we call her OC?) race had a turnout of ~27K, so that sounds well above normal for what the incumbent considered a safe seat. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/44 "2018-06-28T20:08:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Did anybody notice the young woman who won New York’s 14th District? 🆒 [Morning Joe interviewed her.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUb-QB8twcA) If I weren’t such a pessimist I’d ask one of you to lead us in singing [♫ Happy Days are here again! ♫](https://youtu.be/gqsT4xnKZPg?t=1m21s) > . Thanks for that link; she’s _good_. Sincere, thoughtful, hard-working, loyal… good job, 14th! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/45 "2018-06-28T20:54:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thanks for that link; she’s _good_. Sincere, thoughtful, hard-working, loyal… good job, 14th! Concur entirely. She’s extremely impressive. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/46 "2018-06-29T04:05:14Z")
I know I’ve talked shit about Sanders, but I never had problems with Bernie; I just wish some of the extreme fringe Bernie Bros and Jill Stein cultists would have come to their senses and not voted for Colonel Crapcake. But 2016 is over. It’s a new era now. Just like the Republican party is no longer the party of Bush and Dole, the Democrats are going to have to find a new identity. I respect Pelosi and Schumer, but their time is up. Like it or not, agree with their agenda 100% or not, we’re going to have to have some issues to be fired up about. And we’re going to need energy. I think Ocasio-Cortez is fucking awesome. We need (educated) bartenders, (educated) school teachers, (educated) small business owners, (hopefully educated) family doctors, and ordinary community people to lead the movement. We need lawyers, too, but the career politicians are not on the menu anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/47 "2018-06-29T10:13:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We need (educated) bartenders… Actually, you’re making the same mistake that helped Remain lose Brexit: conflating education with intelligence. A well-educated idiot is not preferable to an poorly-educated person with intelligence. The latter will listen and learn and judge; the former, not so well. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/48 "2018-06-29T12:56:28Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > A well-educated idiot is not preferable to an poorly-educated person with intelligence. Hopefully those aren’t your only two options and you can maybe get an educated AND intelligent person. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez seems to fit that bill. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/49 "2018-06-29T13:11:14Z")
She was on Colbert last night and did a good job. For a political newcomer she sure seems “camera ready”. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/50 "2018-06-29T13:12:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … the career politicians are not on the menu anymore. Meh. There will be one main course in 2020, the nominee for president, and that will highly likely be someone who has had a career in politics. All the sides will be a variety of sorts of dishes with different tables picking different items. I mean I agree that leadership needs some fresh faces and the bench needs deepening. But for every Ocasio-Cortez there have been multiple “establishment” and established candidates winning their nods. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/51 "2018-06-29T14:03:49Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I think [Howard Dean has been “most right”](https://apnews.com/4d58389a221343aa95e455eecda012c2/Stunning-defeat-emboldens-left-as-Dems-eye-new-identity) about Miss Ocasio-Cortez’s win:She now has an image as a fighter; every Democrat needs to be a fighter. The 55+ Dems have spent their lifetimes doing the opposite of fighting; time to give the next generation their shot. From what I’ve seen, the under-25s in particular are perfectly willing and ready to fight for things. I love Howard Dean, who’s always been a man ahead of his time. I think Dean is mostly right, and that’s what I’m beginning to sense with Democrats over the past year, even among so-called moderate Democrats. Conor Lamb is an entirely different kind of Democrat than Ocasio-Cortez, but they both brought the same anti-establishment energy to the table. What the Democrats need to understand, particularly in 2020, is that Conor Lamb would not be able to win an election in New York City, and Ocasio-Cortez would not be able to win an election in Southwestern Pennsylvania. They have to let that sink in and not insist on purity of the progressive message. If the race becomes about progressive purity and if the hard left cannot bridge differences, then there’s an excellent chance that Donald Trump gets re-elected. The goal has to be about beating Trump. I agree completely that the race and campaign message has to have substance and should avoid focusing on Trump. They should attack the entire Republican party, not Trump. And the good news is, there’s a lot of material to work with. I just hope the Democrats can get out of their own way. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/52 "2018-06-29T14:16:45Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Tuition-free college means much higher taxes, only the very young voters would back that. Essentially great concept to stir up support among the young that is a pipe dream. Using Sanders estimate (which is probably low) of 75 Billion annually to make college free and the 139.6 Million taxpayers, that works out to $44/month each. That doesn’t sound like “much higher taxes.” And I think the appeal goes farther than you think. It’s not only young people who want to go to school and it’s not only young people that are currently paying for young people to go to school. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/53 "2018-06-29T14:25:21Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Using Sanders estimate (which is probably low) of 75 Billion annually to make college free and the 139.6 Million taxpayers, that works out to $44/month each. That doesn’t sound like “much higher taxes.” And I think the appeal goes farther than you think. It’s not only young people who want to go to school and it’s not only young people that are currently paying for young people to go to school. And it’s not only young people who benefit when we have an educated and well-trained populace. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/54 "2018-06-29T15:11:11Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Using Sanders estimate (which is probably low) of 75 Billion annually to make college free and the 139.6 Million taxpayers, that works out to $44/month each. That doesn’t sound like “much higher taxes.” And I think the appeal goes farther than you think. It’s not only young people who want to go to school and it’s not only young people that are currently paying for young people to go to school. Haven’t seen his latest proposal if there is one, but I perused it during the last election and found that _overall_ it did seem to be a large increase in expenditures if you enact the whole program. Largely paid for by specialized taxes. Even if we chose to enact his whole agenda rather than reduce the deficit, I’d prefer it be with a simpler tax increase because that promotes economic efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/55 "2018-06-29T20:29:13Z")
What I like best about Ocasio-Córtez is exactly that she does not come across at all as a Sanderista bombthrower. She campaigns as a textbook pol ought to, saying the right things, appearing sober and mature in the same measure as youthful and energetic. As much as I loathe Bernie Bro-ism, she isn’t doing that. Damned 2016 is water under the bridge anyway. Going forward, she is a face of the Democratic party’s future. She looks pretty good so far. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/56 "2018-07-02T01:25:48Z")
Unfortunately, it looks like she’s letting the success go to her head and is quickly descending into Bernie level narcissism. > **[Ocasio-Cortez responds to Dem senator who said policies ‘too far to the left’...](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/395104-ocasio-cortez-responds-to-duckworth-saying-policies-too-far-to-the-left/)** > > New York congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D) responded to Sen. Tammy Duckworth’s (D-Ill.) claim that policies “too far to the left” can’t win in Midwestern states.“With… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/57 "2018-07-02T01:38:19Z")
Yeah, I’m not really seeing the narcissism in that article. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/58 "2018-07-02T01:46:10Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Unfortunately, it looks like she’s letting the success go to her head and is quickly descending into Bernie level narcissism. > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/395104-ocasio-cortez-responds-to-duckworth-saying-policies-too-far-to-the-left](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/395104-ocasio-cortez-responds-to-duckworth-saying-policies-too-far-to-the-left) Nah. That’s the exact argument that the party overall will have and _should have_ _after_ the midterms and _before_ the general presidential election season. Is the national party best served by revving up the progressive left or by appealing to the middle? Of course she is on one side of that argument, as are many others who will be voting in the primaries. And Duckworth also has good company on her side of the argument that revving the progressive left is not worth losing the middle. I know where I sit in that argument and we all know that we have different posters with divergent takes on it. Let’s get each candidate elected in their districts for now, have that argument amongst ourselves respectfully as the presidential primary season approaches and commences, and then whoever wins the nomination enthusiastically ALL rally around. Now if she was signaling that she would not rally around a candidate that was not sufficiently to the left, that would be a problem. She did not do that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/59 "2018-07-02T02:20:59Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > As much as I loathe Bernie Bro-ism, she isn’t doing that. Could someone once and for all explain what this term of abuse even _means?_ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850/60 "2018-07-02T03:01:31Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Unfortunately, it looks like she’s letting the success go to her head and is quickly descending into Bernie level narcissism. > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/395104-ocasio-cortez-responds-to-duckworth-saying-policies-too-far-to-the-left](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/395104-ocasio-cortez-responds-to-duckworth-saying-policies-too-far-to-the-left) These regional differences aren’t a problem in the mid-terms, but the Democratic is going to have some major problems in 2020 if they don’t have a plan for bridging these regional and demographic differences within the party. They desperately need someone who has the ability to speak with credibility to both the Trump country Democrats and the urban Democrats. We’ve heard a lot of talk about Biden for president, but I would think he would be better off being a party chair or some other prominent spokesperson. Or someone like Ron Wyden of Oregon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderista-primaries-out-10-term-dem-congressman/816850.md?page=4)