# Sanders ahead in California
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [December 6, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444 "2019-12-06T00:37:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/1 "2019-12-06T00:37:29Z")
> **[Warren and Biden lose ground, Sanders moves ahead in California's shifting...](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-05/democrats-2020-race-california-poll)**
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> Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg rise in a poll of California Democratic primary voters. Mike Bloomberg is the most unpopular candidate in the field.
And biden is behind warren in this poll.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/2 "2019-12-06T00:51:14Z")
This is thread worthy? Are we gonna have a new thread for every polling update until next year?
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/3 "2019-12-06T00:54:26Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> This is thread worthy? Are we gonna have a new thread for every polling update until next year?
Only if the polling update puts Sanders in the lead, I suspect.
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### Author:  [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/4 "2019-12-06T00:56:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Only if the polling update puts Sanders in the lead, I suspect.
Even if that “lead” is within the margin of error. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/5 "2019-12-06T00:58:25Z")
As it is in this case.
(Which I figure was your point, but just to make it explicit.)
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### Author:  [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/6 "2019-12-06T01:06:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Only if the polling update puts Sanders in the lead, I suspect.
And all the numerous polls that show Sanders in 3rd or 4th get written off.
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### Author:  [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/7 "2019-12-06T01:12:25Z")
From the Mueller report, page 23:
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> **By February 2016** , internal IRA documents referred to support for the Trump campaign and opposition to candidate Clinton. For example, instructions to IRA specialists: “Main idea: Use any opportunity to criticize Hillary (Clinton) and the rest ( **except Sanders** and Trump – **we support them** ).”
(all emphasis mine)
IRA stands for Russia’s Internet Research Agency.
Just a little thing worth noting about the help Bernie received in 2016. He didn’t ask for it, but he received it all the same. It’s not beyond pondering he may receive such help again. Maybe is already.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/8 "2019-12-06T01:17:00Z")
Here we go again with the poll BS. I’ve voted in every 4 year and mid-term elections for 3 decades. Not ONCE have I been polled, unless high school poll counts. Here’s one CA resident who won’t vote for Bernie as president of a hot dog stand or anything above.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/9 "2019-12-06T01:23:01Z")
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Here we go again with the poll BS. I’ve voted in every 4 year and mid-term elections for 3 decades. Not ONCE have I been polled, unless high school poll counts. Here’s one CA resident who won’t vote for Bernie as president of a hot dog stand or anything above.
You’re not saying you think polls are bullshit because you’ve never been polled, are you? Because I’ve never been called for jury duty but I’m pretty sure juries are a real thing.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/10 "2019-12-06T01:45:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#):
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> You’re not saying you think polls are bullshit because you’ve never been polled, are you? Because I’ve never been called for jury duty but I’m pretty sure juries are a real thing.
I wouldn’t equate juries with voters. Hell, some voters are high on crack when they vote. I’m saying polls are crap whether they ask me or not. Too much weight is put on them. I think part of the many reasons Clinton didn’t win or others don’t win. They hear, oh, the polls say she or he will win, so let’s not vote. Let’s get donuts instead.
Polls, schmolls. I’m voting based on who I think is best for the job.
ETA: And IMHO, 538 is THE WORST out of all of them.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/11 "2019-12-06T01:58:16Z")
Yeah, no offense but that’s not reality based. I’m not saying you should vote based on polls (does anybody?) but good polls usually give a pretty accurate description of how people are feeling on a issue as clear cut as voting preference. And the fact that you don’t know 538 isn’t a pollster is a cherry on top.
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/12 "2019-12-06T02:46:24Z")
So, this tells me that Sanders and Warren will be splitting delegates and that Biden and Pete will also pick up some. It’s regrettable that Harris has left the race as there’s 7% up for grabs as well.
I’m going to assume ( and I know what happens when you assume) that no campaign has much of a ground game or advertising in expensive CA as of now and that only Harris was focusing on it.
Hillary crushed Sanders in CA in 2016 so I’m not going to say that either Warren or Sanders is going to run away with it. There’s a huge state outside of the Bay Area activists.
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### Author:  [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/13 "2019-12-06T02:53:53Z")
Polls conveniently don’t matter when they don’t have biden on top huh?
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### Author:  [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/14 "2019-12-06T03:01:45Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#):
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> Polls conveniently don’t matter when they don’t have biden on top huh?
Biden leading polls don’t get their own thread. If they did this entire sub-forum would be spammed with “Biden ahead in…”
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/15 "2019-12-06T03:16:35Z")
> [@Moriarty](#):
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> Even if that “lead” is within the margin of error. :rolleyes:
According to OP’s graphic, Sanders and Warren were neck-and-neck in June and are neck-and-neck now. What is significant is (a) Warren soaring in August-September, then having her bubble popped, and (b) Buttigieg gaining on Biden. Both of these are also nation-wide trends.
And, while I love California and I love Californians, their voters’ views are completely irrelevant! The priority is to get a solid victory in November 2020; the voter who matters is a grumpy homophobe in the Rust Belt.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/16 "2019-12-06T03:26:47Z")
Agreed. The joyous homophobes are ungettable.
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/17 "2019-12-06T03:54:35Z")
The priority should be getting that University of Wisconsin student who didn’t get their first choice of Warren or Bernie and will have to cast a vote for Biden or Buttigieg.
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### Author:  [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/18 "2019-12-06T04:15:22Z")
> [@Barack\_Obama](#):
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> [Warren and Biden lose ground, Sanders moves ahead in California's shifting 2020 Democratic race](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-05/democrats-2020-race-california-poll)
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> And biden is behind warren in this poll.
So?
I don’t get how this is relevant. Cali will go to whoever the D’s nominate. Period.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/19 "2019-12-06T05:07:46Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#):
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> So?
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> I don’t get how this is relevant. Cali will go to whoever the D’s nominate. Period.
Who California is leaning towards might change who’s nominated. I figured that was the “So?”.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [December 6, 2019, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-ahead-in-california/844444/20 "2019-12-06T05:08:50Z")
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Here we go again with the poll BS. I’ve voted in every 4 year and mid-term elections for 3 decades. Not ONCE have I been polled, unless high school poll counts. Here’s one CA resident who won’t vote for Bernie as president of a hot dog stand or anything above.
My brother was once exit-polled, and deliberately gave all wrong answers.
And Pete Buttigieg is in first place in Iowa.
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