# Sanders told to leave restaurant - why no debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660 "2018-06-24T11:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/301 "2018-06-27T23:56:26Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > She poses a danger to others every time she stands behind that podium or does anything else that enables Trump. Hyperbole much? I don’t like her either, but that’s no reason to openly discriminate against her. When they go low, we’re supposed to go high—otherwise we have nothing to complain about. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/302 "2018-06-28T00:01:13Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Sarah Huckabee Sanders is not a fucking dog. She is, as you say, a human being and the same cannot be said of humans. We can’t train Sarah. She is a human being, with agency. What we can do though is say “if you choose to be rude, if you choose to lie to the American people, if you choose to defend a serial liar, if you choose to lead an attack on the free and open press, and if you stand for policies that we believe will hurt the people of America, then we will not serve you.” You don’t escape consequences for your actions just because they happened " a few hours ago." You don’t let murderers go because they committed the murder yesterday. You’re equating being press secretary with committing a murder? There’s some serious fucking problems with your wiring, pal. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/303 "2018-06-28T00:02:25Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …like taking a knee? Yes! That works and it pisses Trump off something awful too. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/304 "2018-06-28T00:04:07Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You’re equating being press secretary with committing a murder? …nope. Absolutely not. > [@](#): > > There’s some serious fucking problems with your wiring, pal. I suggest you make the effort to re-read my post. Feel free to substitute any crime you like in my analogy, it will work just as well. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/305 "2018-06-28T00:12:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He lied about getting a blowjob, She lies about things that are a danger to the fundamentals the country is built on. Did she lie under oath? Did she sexually abuse an employee? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/306 "2018-06-28T00:27:33Z")
He probably means you should take to tweeting “No fair!” a lot. A lot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/307 "2018-06-28T00:34:36Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Hyperbole much? I don’t like her either, but that’s no reason to openly discriminate against her. When they go low, we’re supposed to go high—otherwise we have nothing to complain about. When they go low they bring their teeth closer to my boot. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/308 "2018-06-28T00:42:32Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > No in your face and hounding people at movie theaters or grocery stores. The fact that elected officials encourage this is worrisome. When candidates do it it rocks tho, right? :dubious: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/309 "2018-06-28T00:45:22Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Did she lie under oath? Well, he’s got us with this one, folks! She wasn’t under oath; it doesn’t count! You don’t care, right, **D’Anconia**? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/310 "2018-06-28T00:47:54Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Did she lie under oath? Did she sexually abuse an employee? Who cares if it was under oath? She still lied. Lewinsky did some of the chasing, how is that assault? [From here.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/6narritii.htm) > [@](#): > > ``` > According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the President made eye contact when he came to the West Wing to see Mr. Panetta and Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes, then again later at an informal birthday party for Jennifer Palmieri, Special Assistant to the Chief of Staff.(149) At one point, Ms. Lewinsky and the President talked alone in the Chief of Staff's office. In the course of flirting with him, she raised her jacket in the back and showed him the straps of her thong underwear, which extended above her pants.(150) > > ``` > > En route to the restroom at about 8 p.m., she passed George Stephanopoulos’s office. The President was inside alone, and he beckoned her to enter.(151) **She told him that she had a crush on him. He laughed, then asked if she would like to see his private office.(152) Through a connecting door in Mr. Stephanopoulos’s office, they went through the President’s private dining room toward the study off the Oval Office. Ms. Lewinsky testified: “We talked briefly and sort of acknowledged that there had been a chemistry that was there before and that we were both attracted to each other and then he asked me if he could kiss me.”** Ms. Lewinsky said yes. In the windowless hallway adjacent to the study, they kissed.(153) Before returning to her desk, Ms. Lewinsky wrote down her name and telephone number for the President.(154) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/311 "2018-06-28T02:29:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …nope. Absolutely not. > > I suggest you make the effort to re-read my post. Feel free to substitute any crime you like in my analogy, it will work just as well. Wait a minute: you’re the one who equated Sanders with a murderer. You don’t get to dismiss that and say “any crime.” Own your words. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/312 "2018-06-28T02:32:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well, he’s got us with this one, folks! She wasn’t under oath; it doesn’t count! > > You don’t care, right, **D’Anconia**? You’re attacking the wrong person. Sarah is a mouthpiece, a puppet if you will. If you’re going to boycott someone, boycott Trump. Or you’re local GOP member. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/313 "2018-06-28T02:35:11Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You’re attacking the wrong person. Sarah is a mouthpiece, a puppet if you will. If you’re going to boycott someone, boycott Trump. Or you’re local GOP member. Hey, if that puppet would shut the fuck up, I’d stop complaining about what she says. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/314 "2018-06-28T02:41:01Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Wait a minute: you’re the one who equated Sanders with a murderer. …no I didn’t. Please keep up. > [@](#): > > You don’t get to dismiss that and say “any crime.” Own your words. For fucks sakes. I’m gonna quote exactly what I said. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Sarah Huckabee Sanders is not a fucking dog. She is, as you say, a human being and the same cannot be said of humans. We can’t train Sarah. She is a human being, with agency. What we can do though is say “if you choose to be rude, if you choose to lie to the American people, if you choose to defend a serial liar, if you choose to lead an attack on the free and open press, and if you stand for policies that we believe will hurt the people of America, then we will not serve you.” You don’t escape consequences for your actions just because they happened " a few hours ago." You don’t let murderers go because they committed the murder yesterday. You do understand what an analogy is right? Its a “a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.” For example you posted an analogy. You compared not serving the SHS with training a dog. Except that was an “analogy fail.” Because people and dogs are fundamentally different and that’s what I pointed out. You claimed that “waiting a week or even waiting a few hours” was too long to “impose a consequence” because “otherwise the animal won’t make the connection”. But that’s nonsense. Because firstly humans are not dogs. But secondly that simply isn’t how our society works. We impose delayed consequences on people all the time. Sometimes that delay is a few hours, sometimes it is a few weeks, and sometimes its a few years, or even longer. If you commit a parking infringement yesterday we don’t not give you a fine because it happened a day ago. And if you commit a murder yesterday you don’t get to walk away from it because it happened 24 hours ago. I didn’t equate Sanders with a murderer. I own my words. Its over to you to make an effort to understand them. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/315 "2018-06-28T03:28:10Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Doing her job as press secretary does not mean she is an asshole, and even assholes have a right to be served at any rate. I hate her politics, and I hate her boss even more, but she still has a right to be treated as a human being. To do less than that is deplorable. If she freaks out or poses a danger to herself and others, then by all means eject her. But not before that threshold has been reached. Can you point out where that right is enumerated, either in the Constitution or Virginia law? Absent that, can you explain how her meal trumps the right of the establishment to refuse service to anyone? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/316 "2018-06-28T03:35:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Who cares if it was under oath? She still lied. > > Lewinsky did some of the chasing, how is that assault? The imbalance of power, that 's how. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/317 "2018-06-28T03:49:22Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It was several days. If you’re trying to train a dog, you don’t wait until a week or even several hours later to impose a consequence. Otherwise the animal won’t make the connection. The same can be said of humans. No it fucking can’t. Humans are not dogs. By that retarded logic, the entire criminal justice system is useless. Are you seriously suggesting closing every jail in the country? If not, then you’re just fine with imposing consequences more than several days after the fact. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/318 "2018-06-28T05:31:22Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > No it fucking can’t. Humans are not dogs. By that retarded logic, the entire criminal justice system is useless. Are you seriously suggesting closing every jail in the country? If not, then you’re just fine with imposing consequences more than several days after the fact. She did not commit a crime. Jesus H Christ there are some thick-headed people around here. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/319 "2018-06-28T09:41:15Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > She did not commit a crime. Jesus H Christ there are some thick-headed people around here. Impressive, given that you’re arguing about training a human being like a dog, that you didn’t understand the metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/320 "2018-06-28T10:03:30Z")
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