# Sanders told to leave restaurant - why no debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660 "2018-06-24T11:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/321 "2018-06-28T10:17:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Did she lie under oath? Did she sexually abuse an employee? 😕 Was the restaurateur trying to have Sanders arrested? Have her impeached? Get a grip, please. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/322 "2018-06-28T10:25:48Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > She did not commit a crime. …I think the problem is perhaps you don’t actually understand the implications of the argument you made. > [@](#): > > Jesus H Christ there are some thick-headed people around here. > [@Biffster](#): > > When they go low, we’re supposed to go high—otherwise we have nothing to complain about. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/323 "2018-06-28T10:47:31Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Or you’re local GOP member. I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/324 "2018-06-28T11:08:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > That’s quite the hyperbole. Mrs. Sanders isn’t a danger to anyone. Let her miss a few more meals, then she’ll be a danger. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/325 "2018-06-28T12:21:23Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The imbalance of power, that 's how. Here’s [another cite](https://www.constangy.com/employment-labor-insider/did-bill-clinton-sexually-harass-monica-lewinsky-uh-no) for you to ignore. > [@](#): > > In her defense, Ms. Parker includes the qualifier “by the very definition promoted by feminists.” But she should have come right out and said that the “feminists’” version of sexual harassment (if this is indeed the “‘feminists’’ version”) is not the legal definition of sexual harassment. > > Under the law, a person “in a superior workplace position” can legally make or respond to sexual overtures toward an adult employee. If the employee rejects the overtures, then that should be the end of it, and there should be no continued pursuit, and no retaliation based on the rejection. If the overture is the answer to the employee’s dreams, then ok - it’s not sexual harassment. If the employee initiates the overtures, then the boss’s “acceptance” is not sexual harassment. > > It’s an affair. > > [The Supreme Court settled this issue](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/477/57.html) about a thousand years ago, when it held that sexual harassment had to be “unwelcome” to the recipient to be legally actionable. That’s why co-workers who date, or who have consensual sexual relationships or even extramarital affairs, are not necessarily guilty of sexual harassment. This is true even if one party to the relationship is the “boss,” and the other party is a subordinate. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/326 "2018-06-28T14:42:28Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > She did not commit a crime. Jesus H Christ there are some thick-headed people around here. Literally nobody has said she did, and you really need to learn what an analogy is. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/327 "2018-06-28T17:14:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Here’s [another cite](https://www.constangy.com/employment-labor-insider/did-bill-clinton-sexually-harass-monica-lewinsky-uh-no) for you to ignore. Even if it doesn’t meet the legal definition of sexual harassment, it’s a “gross abuse of power” according to the victim. > **[Monica Lewinsky: Bill Clinton affair a gross abuse of power](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43218355)** > > Monica Lewinsky, who had an infamous affair with the president, reflects after the #MeToo movement. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/328 "2018-06-28T17:23:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Literally nobody has said she did, and you really need to learn what an analogy is. I know what an analogy is. Sanders’ behaviour is in no way similar to that of a murderer. Not like a dog either. But here’s the thing: you use the same rationale for training dogs as you do for toddlers or for anyone, for that matter. Sarah Sanders says something to piss you off on TV. So what? She’s the spokesperson for Trump. That’s her just job. Don’t shoot the messenger. Showing bigotry by booting her out of a restaurant only sends the wrong message—one of intolerance. Better off to write her a letter, or have a conversation with her while she’s doing her everyday things. No one changes the world by being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/329 "2018-06-28T17:24:39Z")
For those who think it is a grave injustice for a restaurant owner to tell a patron to eat somewhere else, how do you feel about Trump blocking certain Twitter users for things like posting a video of the Pope looking dismissively at Trump? > **[Blocked by Trump on Twitter – now crusaders take their case to court](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/07/trump-twitter-first-amendment-legal-case)** > > Holly Figueroa O’Reilly has joined others in a lawsuit that accuses the president of violating her first amendment rights. Will she succeed? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/330 "2018-06-28T17:59:08Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I know what an analogy is. Sanders’ behaviour is in no way similar to that of a murderer. Not like a dog either. No, you pretty clearly do not understand what an analogy is, if you think anyone in this thread was saying Sander’s behavior was in anyway similar to that of a murderer. They’re pointing out how deeply stupid your argument is by applying it, in whole, to a situation that highlights its absurdity. The idea that a human can’t understand consequences for an action that’s more than a couple hours removed is idiotic. The comparison to murderers wasn’t to demonstrate how heinous Sanders is, it was to demonstrate how vapid your post was, by applying your logic to a situation where it clearly fails. > [@](#): > > But here’s the thing: you use the same rationale for training dogs as you do for toddlers or for anyone, for that matter. Sarah Sanders says something to piss you off on TV. So what? She’s the spokesperson for Trump. That’s her just job. Don’t shoot the messenger. Showing bigotry by booting her out of a restaurant only sends the wrong message—one of intolerance. Better off to write her a letter, or have a conversation with her while she’s doing her everyday things. No one changes the world by being an asshole. And here, you apparently think that you can house break dogs by writing them strongly worded letters, and then finish it off by apparently forgetting who’s been running this country for the last two years. You genuinely have no clue what you’re talking about, do you? ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_think\_of\_a\_name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed8c4c/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_think\_of\_a\_name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_think_of_a_name)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/331 "2018-06-28T18:01:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > No, you’re making up unconvincing arguments and falsely claiming that they’re convincing. They aren’t. I’m just pointing that out. **The arguments you stated as being mine are not mine.** I did not make them. They have nothing to do with me. They are your words. They are not my words. ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_think\_of\_a\_name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed8c4c/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_think\_of\_a\_name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_think_of_a_name)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/332 "2018-06-28T18:09:38Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > The law does not require what you keep saying it does. The President’s signature on an order to stop separations proves that. That delays the issue for a maximum of 20 days. It doesn’t resolve the issue. Maybe the laws can be changed that quickly. Maybe the process can be speeded up enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/333 "2018-06-28T18:17:33Z")
Well, now that Sanders has Secret Service protection, if a restaurateur tries to pull Sanders aside, will an agent pull _them_ aside first? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/334 "2018-06-28T18:23:39Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Well, now that Sanders has Secret Service protection, if a restaurateur tries to pull Sanders aside, will an agent pull _them_ aside first? Is the secret service the administration’s personal enforcers now? If the SS tries to intimidate a private individual in such a way, I would hope that they are disciplined promptly and severely. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/335 "2018-06-28T18:38:49Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > For those who think it is a grave injustice for a restaurant owner to tell a patron to eat somewhere else, how do you feel about Trump blocking certain Twitter users for things like posting a video of the Pope looking dismissively at Trump? > > [Blocked by Trump on Twitter – now crusaders take their case to court | US news | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/07/trump-twitter-first-amendment-legal-case) As President, he should not be blocking anyone. But Trump, being who he is, breaks the laws of this land on a regular basis. As often as he lies, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/336 "2018-06-28T18:39:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, you pretty clearly do not understand what an analogy is, if you think anyone in this thread was saying Sander’s behavior was in anyway similar to that of a murderer. They’re pointing out how deeply stupid your argument is by applying it, in whole, to a situation that highlights its absurdity. The idea that a human can’t understand consequences for an action that’s more than a couple hours removed is idiotic. The comparison to murderers wasn’t to demonstrate how heinous Sanders is, it was to demonstrate how vapid your post was, by applying your logic to a situation where it clearly fails. > > And here, you apparently think that you can house break dogs by writing them strongly worded letters, and then finish it off by apparently forgetting who’s been running this country for the last two years. > > You genuinely have no clue what you’re talking about, do you? Your style is one of ignorance. Clearly not persuasive. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/337 "2018-06-28T18:43:16Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > As President, he should not be blocking anyone. But Trump, being who he is, breaks the laws of this land on a regular basis. As often as he lies, in fact. I personally don’t think Trump should be tweeting, period. However, if he is, and is using his personal Twitter account (not the offical POTUS one), he should be able to moderate it as he likes, imo. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/338 "2018-06-28T18:44:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is the secret service the administration’s personal enforcers now? > > If the SS tries to intimidate a private individual in such a way, I would hope that they are disciplined promptly and severely. One would hope, but I do wonder what will happen if she’s sitting in a private restaurant and a bunch of protesters try to shout her out of there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/339 "2018-06-28T18:57:32Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Your style is one of ignorance. Clearly not persuasive. No, my style is aggressive. Nothing in my post is incorrect. Which is why you punted instead of addressing it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/340 "2018-06-28T19:29:57Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I personally don’t think Trump should be tweeting, period. However, if he is, and is using his personal Twitter account (not the offical POTUS one), he should be able to moderate it as he likes, imo. Except that he can never be just citizen Donald. For as long as he remains in office, he is the President, and he is expected to behave like one. So far he has failed miserably. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=18)