# Sanders told to leave restaurant - why no debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660 "2018-06-24T11:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/81 "2018-06-24T20:53:21Z")
> [@Manlob](#): > > Compare to the case of the two men who sat in Starbuck’s without ordering and refused to leave when asked. Are the same people defending the store manager for that case and this one? > > It would be more reasonable if SHS was turned away at the door, but having the party sit down, wait for menus, wait for waiter to take order, start eating the appetizers, and then get asked to leave when the meal is almost ready caused a lot of unnecessary inconvenience. When OJ Simpson was refused service at a restaurant, I don’t think they let him sit down and order, then tantalized him by throwing him out right before the meal was ready. The men in Starbucks had the police called on them for no other reason than they were black. The police were not called on SHS, and she was not sent away for being white, a woman, or a Republican. She was sent away for trying to make racist and intolerant government policies seem normal. And if you read the article, she was not seated by the hostess. Her party was seated and she came late. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/82 "2018-06-24T21:00:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Lesley Stahl: Trump admitted mission to “discredit” press](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lesley-stahl-donald-trump-said-attacking-press-to-discredit-negative-stories/) > > Neither Bush nor Obama did this. > What better way to start the process? CBS? Lesley Stahl? Yeah, they’re not biased at all. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Manlob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Manlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manlob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/83 "2018-06-24T21:07:04Z")
The Starbucks case had the police called on them because they refused to leave. SHS did not have the policed called because she left when asked. True, the story said she showed up later than the rest of the party, but she was not blocked at the door and was allowed to sit down. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/84 "2018-06-24T21:08:15Z")
You reap what you sow. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/85 "2018-06-24T21:09:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > …\*\*\*These are not normal times. \*\*\* And it’s not just a matter of degree. Ms. Sanders has voluntarily assumed the role of defending the most disgusting, incompetent and dangerous person ever elected president. People are going to react badly to that, and they should. **If she has an ounce of self-awareness, she will ask herself why these things are happening.** Yup. She supports the asshole in the White House. If follows that she is a racist piece of shit just like he is (I’m not just talking about the current crises, trump has a long history of racism). Combine that with the problems he is causing for the environment, education and that he has turned our country into a laughing stock, and you just may be called on the fact that you to support him. Surprise! To hell with you. The same goes for EVERYONE that is in his administration unless they are trying to control the toddler and prevent him from doing damage. Really, how bad does she need the money? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/86 "2018-06-24T21:14:47Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > CBS? Lesley Stahl? > > Yeah, they’re not biased at all. :rolleyes: Do you have a cite that proves it didn’t happen? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/87 "2018-06-24T21:54:41Z")
The law says they have the right to kick her out. And I’ve heard that it’s very biblical to obey the law. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/88 "2018-06-24T22:26:30Z")
It’s been mentioned in passing, but this restaurant was well outside the Northern Virginia Washington suburbs. I note this for one argument… A president is elected by the country as a whole. And, as Obama noted, elections have consequences. One such consequence is that a new administration will bring new people to Washington. And even if those people are from a political party not favored locally in Washington DC, the nation as a whole has an interest in the people making up the new administration being able to live in and around DC. These are people who will dine at restaurants, shop at groceries, patronize dry cleaners, and otherwise be involved in the local economy. So DC has a non-discrimination provision that covers political affiliation. It may seem to some that telling staffers in the current administration to go pound sand is just fine. But asking how you might react if the parties were reversed is a good question to ask in determining policy. Humbly, I’d rather see that political affiliation protection extended to cover the DC metro area, even where it spills over to Maryland and Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/89 "2018-06-24T22:32:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Do you have a cite that proves it didn’t happen? Do you have a cite that it did? Because that’s how cites work. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/90 "2018-06-24T22:37:32Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you have a cite that it did? Because that’s how cites work. :dubious: You made the claim it’s not valid. Prove it. it’s only your _opinion_ it’s not a valid cite. Can’t have opinions in Great Debates now, can we? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/91 "2018-06-24T22:42:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You made the claim it’s not valid. Prove it. > it’s only your _opinion_ it’s not a valid cite. Can’t have opinions in Great Debates now, can we? Don’t you remember Dan “what’s the frequency Kenneth” Rather? CBS is not a cite. They hire kooks. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/92 "2018-06-24T22:42:42Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I don’t understand the problem. The restaurant was within its rights to refuse service to SHS. Further, SHS has a right to inform others of the restaurant’s actions. [Not on an official government channel she doesn’t.](https://deadline.com/2018/06/sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-tweet-may-be-violation-says-former-ethics-chief-1202416417/) > [@](#): > > White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders’s affirmation of being booted from a Virginia restaurant may be an ethics violation because it was confirmed from an official government Twitter account. > > That’s the opinion voiced by Walter Shaub, a former federal ethics chief who worked under Barack Obama and Donald Trump. His comment has been picked up by others, with one Democrat House member calling for an ethics investigation on the tweet. > … > Shaub, who has been a fierce critic of the administration, said in his own tweet that “Sanders used her official govt account to condemn a private business for personal reasons … she can lob attacks on her own time but not using her official position.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/93 "2018-06-24T22:45:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Don’t you remember Dan “what’s the frequency Kenneth” Rather? CBS is not a cite. They hire kooks. One instance poisons everything from that point onward? Can you provide a list of acceptable sources? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/94 "2018-06-24T22:45:36Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > It may seem to some that telling staffers in the current administration to go pound sand is just fine. But asking how you might react if the parties were reversed is a good question to ask in determining policy. Humbly, I’d rather see that political affiliation protection extended to cover the DC metro area, even where it spills over to Maryland and Virginia. People are shunned for what they do all the time since forever. I wouldn’t want to be arrested if I murdered someone. I also wouldn’t want to be arrested if I didn’t murder someone and the cops thought I did. There would be many things I wouldn’t like that some people deserve. If this happened to a politician who did nothing to deserve shunning then I would obviously disagree with the action. Contrary to what many would imply, if I said so on the Internets that would not mean that I supported legislation to outlaw it! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/95 "2018-06-24T22:51:34Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Can you provide a list of acceptable sources? Ones that don’t hire nutjobs. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/96 "2018-06-24T22:52:47Z")
So, no? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/97 "2018-06-24T22:55:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > One instance poisons everything from that point onward? > Can you provide a list of acceptable sources? You know he can’t. Per usual, he has no substantive argument and must resort only to well-poisoning and name-calling. . ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/98 "2018-06-24T22:56:09Z")
I see nothing wrong with asking some child-abusing Republican, which is exactly what Trump and his ilk have turned out to be, to leave. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/99 "2018-06-24T22:56:34Z")
I already did. Don’t hire crazy people and call it “news”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/100 "2018-06-24T22:57:01Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Ones that don’t hire nutjobs. God what a lazy post this is. Absolutely no effort. Yes, you’re trying to shit on media outfits that you don’t like. But this is about the laziest way to do it I’ve ever seen. No media outfit is perfect, and pretty much every major one has hired crappy journalists at some point among the thousands who have worked for them. Unless you have evidence that Stahl is lying, this is a wholly bullshit complaint. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=6)