# Sanders told to leave restaurant - why no debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660 "2018-06-24T11:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/101 "2018-06-24T22:59:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you have a cite that it did? Because that’s how cites work. :dubious: Trump never denied it happened. Therefore, it did. You can search his Twitter archive [here.](http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/102 "2018-06-24T23:00:22Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, tolerance means you respect the right of others to be wrong. That’s a meaningless and foolish definition. Of course I don’t “respect the right of others to be wrong.” What kind of right is that, even, and what would it look like? Other people may say dumb shit and do dumb shit. If they’re not hurting other people with the dumb shit they do or say, more power to 'em. But if they are hurting other people, I see no reason to put up with their nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/103 "2018-06-24T23:04:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > God what a lazy post this is. Absolutely no effort. Yes, you’re trying to shit on media outfits that you don’t like. But this is about the laziest way to do it I’ve ever seen. > > No media outfit is perfect, and pretty much every major one has hired crappy journalists at some point among the thousands who have worked for them. It wasn’t just “some point”, he was the anchor for 24 years. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/104 "2018-06-24T23:28:26Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It wasn’t just “some point”, he was the anchor for 24 years. Even if you’re right (and you’ve provided no such cite that he’s a “nutjob”), so what? That says nothing about Lesley Stahl. If you want to make a point with evidence, then put some effort into it – show with cites why we shouldn’t trust Stahl’s statement. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/105 "2018-06-24T23:29:41Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > It’s funny seeing her father, Mike Huckabee, commenting on the situation and classifying it as “bigotry” when he was an outspoken defender of “Freedom of Religion” laws that would specifically protect business owners who refused to serve blacks, gays, arabs, Jews, Muslims, or anyone else they say their religion says not to like. I guess it’s ‘freedom’ if you want to kick out certain people, but if it applies to his daughter then it’s suddenly ‘bigotry’ and wrong. > > It’s also interesting that exactly none of the people arguing in favor of discrimination in other threads, particularly the one about the Colorado Baker, are willing to argue in favor of it here. There is a fundamental philosophical difference between the point of view that a government can compel custom content vs. discrimination from a business that makes a standard burger with or without a sky screamer’s booger. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/106 "2018-06-24T23:31:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > There is a fundamental philosophical difference between the point of view that a government can compel custom content vs. discrimination from a business that makes a standard burger with or without a sky screamer’s booger. We should TOTALLY relitigate that case, and whether choosing from a menu of cake options is like or different from choosing from a menu of dinner options. That sounds productive and useful. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/107 "2018-06-24T23:35:19Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Ones that don’t hire nutjobs. A-ha! So you ADMIT that everything the Trump Administration does is inherently not credible! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/108 "2018-06-24T23:35:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Even if you’re right (and you’ve provided no such cite that he’s a “nutjob”), so what? That says nothing about Lesley Stahl. If you want to make a point with evidence, then put some effort into it – show with cites why we shouldn’t trust Stahl’s statement. CBS hired, and employed for 24 years, an obvious nutjob. Why should we trust Ms. Stahl? Or the network in general? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/109 "2018-06-24T23:37:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > We should TOTALLY relitigate that case, and whether choosing from a menu of cake options is like or different from choosing from a menu of dinner options. That sounds productive and useful. I didn’t bring up the cake or the so-called hypocrisy. I just responded to the false equivalence. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/110 "2018-06-24T23:41:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > As a private citizen or as a spokesperson for the Administration, using her PressSec Twitter account? > > Why did she need to inform the entire nation rather than a private griping sessions with friends? > > Why did Daddy need to come galloping to the rescue of his fragile daughter? Oh fer fucks sake. Does it really have to get that nitpicky? So she used her official twitter account instead of her personal one. So fucking what? Would the media have treated it any differently? Is the government out any money? Did she get more money because it was from the government account? Would her tweet from her personal account have carried any less or more weight? What is wrong with informing the entire nation if you think that you were done wrong? Again, it would have been covered across the nation had she posted it from a personal account. I don’t know why Daddy said what he did. He has a right to say whatever the fuck he wants to say, whether it helps this business or closes it down. Does freedom of speech only apply to liberals? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/111 "2018-06-24T23:43:42Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Exactly what “grave peril” are we in? Haven’t you heard? The sky is falling! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/112 "2018-06-24T23:44:00Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > CBS hired, and employed for 24 years, an obvious nutjob. Cite? Not that it’s relevant to anything about this discussion. But if you’re making a claim, it’s reasonable to ask for a cite. > [@](#): > > Why should we trust Ms. Stahl? You’ve provided utterly no evidence that Stahl is not trustworthy. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/113 "2018-06-24T23:45:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > … sky screamer… I’m stealing this. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/114 "2018-06-24T23:47:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Haven’t you heard? The sky is falling! Do you consider a President who sees common cause with white supremacists to be normal? Let me rephrase: do you consider a President in the 21st century who sees common cause with white supremacists to be normal? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/115 "2018-06-24T23:49:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > A business can’t refuse service on the base of race, sex, creed, color, ethnicity, and (depending on state law) sexual orientation. But if they want to refuse service to an individual customer for reasons unrelated to any of the protected categories, that’s still their right. > > As I understand it, British common law says a business open to the public can’t turn away customers, period. We’ve never adopted that standard here in the U.S. This, and the owners may have been concerned that other restaurant patrons would recognize her and make a scene. (Haven’t read the entire thread.) Harvey Weinstein was recently asked to leave a restaurant after he was recognized (by two MEN, no less) and O.J. Simpson is persona non grata anywhere he goes for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/116 "2018-06-24T23:50:21Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Oh fer fucks sake. Does it really have to get that nitpicky? So she used her official twitter account instead of her personal one. So fucking what? How about the fact that such usage [violates Federal Ethics rules](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sarah-huckabee-sanders-red-hen-kicked-restaurant-white-house-ethics-chief-violates-walter-shaub-a8414191.html) (not like anyone in the trump Administration has any ethics, but still)? That’s so fucking what. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/117 "2018-06-24T23:50:48Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Do you consider a President who sees common cause with white supremacists to be normal? > > Let me rephrase: do you consider a President in the 21st century who sees common cause with white supremacists to be normal? Does this mean you’re on the “Descending into an authoritarian dictatorship” bandwagon now too? Or are you of the opinion that, maybe just a little smidgeon of the rhetoric around here might be a tad overwrought, perhaps even a teensy-weensy bit hyperbolic? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/118 "2018-06-24T23:53:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Does this mean you’re on the “Descending into an authoritarian dictatorship” bandwagon now too? Or are you of the opinion that, maybe just a little smidgeon of the rhetoric around here might be a tad overwrought, perhaps even a teensy-weensy bit hyperbolic? Look, if you’re going to throw around “chicken little” references, you are literally saying that Trump and a good number of his associates are unsullied by any whiff of intolerance, racism, homophobia, or white nationalism. You can’t possibly believe this. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/119 "2018-06-24T23:57:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > How about the fact that such usage [violates Federal Ethics rules](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sarah-huckabee-sanders-red-hen-kicked-restaurant-white-house-ethics-chief-violates-walter-shaub-a8414191.html) (not like anyone in the trump Administration has any ethics, but still)? That’s so fucking what. I don’t think Mr. Walter Shaub has that quite right. Here’s the rule that he’s claiming she violated: > [@](#): > > An employee shall not use or permit the use of his Government position or title or any authority associated with his public office in a manner that is intended to coerce or induce another person, including a subordinate, to provide any benefit, financial or otherwise, to himself or to friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity. Can you articulate the “benefit” SHS was trying to coerce or induce another person to provide when she tweeted: > [@](#): > > Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @POTUS and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so I’m having trouble making it out. Could you spell it out for me? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660/120 "2018-06-25T00:00:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Can you articulate the “benefit” SHS was trying to coerce or induce another person to provide when she tweeted: Sure: by attempting to name & shame someone who inconvenienced her in her private life, she was trying to do two things: 1. Gain the benefit of revenge; and 2. Trying to intimidate other private citizens from crossing her in her private life. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanders-told-to-leave-restaurant-why-no-debate/816660.md?page=7)