# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/441 "2016-03-15T03:38:34Z")
Tens of thousands! Trump saw it on the TeeVee. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/442 "2016-03-15T03:47:30Z")
Yes. Loudly protesting OUTSIDE THE BUILDING does in fact count as “a loud voice of dissent.” Not sure what you think that link has to do with disputing the point made. Mind you I do not dispute that there were some that intended to go in and be obnoxious if he came. That would have been across the line in my mind if it had occurred. And like hecklers at Obama events have been ushered out they would rightly have been as well. Without roughing anyone up or encouraging them to be roughed up. Yes Obama has apparently been [the most heckled president](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/obama-heckled_b_3333236.html). Generally the hecklers are escorted out. But Obama was [even heckled during a speech to Congress](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/09/the_first_heckler.html) by a congressman! Sometimes though he does respond and even instructs security to allow the heckler to remain and engages. Please note the difference between [how Obama reacts](http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/25/obama-engages-hecklers-during-immigration-speech/) and how Trump does. Being heckled, being disrupted … it’s going to happen, regrettably. Encouraging violence in reaction to it. Not okay. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/443 "2016-03-15T04:38:20Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Yes. Loudly protesting OUTSIDE THE BUILDING does in fact count as “a loud voice of dissent.” The arena holds 9500, was full (plus the floor?), and a big portion of the people there were protesters. > **[Chaos erupts at Donald Trump rally in Chicago | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/03/12/trump-rally-protest-chaos-erin-acosta.cnn)** > > Chaos breaks out at a Donald Trump rally between protesters and supporters. CNN’s Jim Acosta reports. > [@](#): > > Not sure what you think that link has to do with disputing the point made. Mind you I do not dispute that there were some that intended to go in and be obnoxious if he came. That would have been across the line in my mind if it had occurred. And like hecklers at Obama events have been ushered out they would rightly have been as well. Without roughing anyone up or encouraging them to be roughed up. Yes Obama has apparently been [the most heckled president](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/obama-heckled_b_3333236.html). Generally the hecklers are escorted out. But Obama was [even heckled during a speech to Congress](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/09/the_first_heckler.html) by a congressman! Sometimes though he does respond and even instructs security to allow the heckler to remain and engages. Please note the difference between [how Obama reacts](http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/25/obama-engages-hecklers-during-immigration-speech/) and how Trump does. Obama has become a classy dude in his later years. Notice, though, that like Bernie, the tolerance Obama shows is to protesters that are to his left. The needed level of force is used to remove [this anti-abortion protester](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvSwtvhRxi0). > [@](#): > > Being heckled, being disrupted … it’s going to happen, regrettably. Encouraging violence in reaction to it. Not okay. Who encouraged violence as a reaction to heckling? There are a lot more people trying to disrupt his rallies due to the extreme reactions to his message, and all of the incitement against him online and in the media. But I don’t see much to support the narrative that the protesters are being removed with more force than is usual, in comparison to their level of resistance to the ejection. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/444 "2016-03-15T08:42:53Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > No, I am talking about the Occupy/antifa/BLM/Bernie Bro coalition who actively and continuously campaign and organize in order to shut down the speech of people they disagree with. > > Are Trumpers organizing attempts to get anti-Trump speakers’ events canceled? Who or what is “antifa”? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/445 "2016-03-15T09:06:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Okay. That article contains something I hadn’t seen in the multiple articles I’d previously read: one of the organizers of the protest, ahead of the protest, called to “#SHUTITDOWN.” That’s the kind of smoking gun that, yeah, puts it into deplorable territory. > > I will separate that from other forms of protest. ALTHOUGH TRUMP HAS EVERY RIGHT TO REMOVE PROTESTORS FROM HIS RALLIES, it’s perfectly legitimate for people to engage in protests that do NOT shut down the rallies, while inside the rallies. Indeed, a canny protest leader might yet emerge. > > Imagine if the Chicago protestors had all brought armbands with gold stars and put them on as soon as Trump got on stage, kneeling for the remainder of his speech. What if they’d agreed that, instead of cheering, they’d silently offer the Nazi salute? What if they’d brought thousands of pictures of undocumented families being held at detention centers and held the pictures up during the speech? What if they’d simply agreed to turn their backs to him and bow their heads during his entire speech? What if, at the end of his speech, rather than applaud, they’d sung “This Land is Your Land” or “We Shall Overcome”? > > I mean, I’m spitballing here, there are many different directions to go in. A nonviolent action with thousands of people in which you’re going to outnumber the opposition is a rare occasion with tremendous potential. I wish it had been used more cannily. Nah, none of that is violent enough. Some groups are into shouting and running up on stage to take the meetings over. Their is no way “nice” protesters could control the loudmouths and the more aggressive ones. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/446 "2016-03-15T11:17:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Who or what is “antifa”? Anti-facist. > **[Urban Dictionary: Antifa](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Antifa)** > > Antifa is abbreviation for Anti-Fascist. They were a lot bigger in the 20th century for obvious reasons, resisting fascism, which was on the rise in those times. As fascism and heavy nationalism rolls over the hills again, Antifa groups have been... ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/447 "2016-03-15T11:43:43Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > That is YOUR interpretation. I happen to think the movement that Bernie is a figure head for is far far more dangerous. > > They are the one with massive support in the media. > > They are the ones with massive support and presence on college campuses, who have teachers calling for “muscle” from students towards journalists, and who come to the defense of those who do. > > They are the ones who think they have the right to block streets and campuses and to occupy, and exclude others from, any building or park that they desire. > > They are the ones running speakers off of campuses due to their disapproval of the message. > > They are the ones demonizing biotechnology and energy technologies that are the best bet for materially improving the lives of humanity. > > They advocate shutting down the political speech of anyone they deem too influential. > > And of course they are the ones actually shutting down the political rallies of their opponents. > > The last seven decades have been filled with anti-Nazi messages in the media. A big fat fraction of all enemies in film and TV have been Nazis of one variety or another. The message is very clear that violence towards Nazis is justified, heroic and admirable. One of Tarantino’s latest films was a big gore fest glorifying brutal violence towards Nazis. > > In this context the Nazi accusations are hate speech, and quite clearly are likely to incite confrontation and violence. > > Then people want to come along and call Trump supporters Nazis at Trump rallies. And they are just supposed to sit there and meekly take it. It’s quite the cycle: media accuses Trump supporters of being Nazis, which incites people to go and disrupt Trump rallies by going to them and calling the people around them Nazis. Then, when the people hurl insults back, their objection to being called Nazis is used as evidence that they are Nazis! Left wing authoritarianism is for the greater good. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/448 "2016-03-15T12:35:01Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Who encouraged violence as a reaction to heckling? Donald Trump did, several times. If you didn’t know that, you just haven’t been watching the news. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/449 "2016-03-15T12:57:40Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Donald Trump did, several times. If you didn’t know that, you just haven’t been watching the news. Or reading this thread; it’s been cited several times. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/450 "2016-03-15T13:11:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Imagine if the Chicago protestors had all brought armbands with gold stars and put them on as soon as Trump got on stage, kneeling for the remainder of his speech. What if they’d agreed that, instead of cheering, they’d silently offer the Nazi salute? False flag operations are never acceptable. Anyone who would try to fabricate evidence that their political opponents are Nazis like this needs to take a long walk off a short pier. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/451 "2016-03-15T13:48:20Z")
Yes, it’s true that Trump only advocates violence against those whom he claims are already being violent. The problem is, the people whom he claims are already violent, aren’t. The actual people he is actually advocating violence against are nonviolent. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/452 "2016-03-15T14:12:27Z")
Amanda Marcotte writes: [Trump protesters are heroes: They’re reminding voters how much of a monster Trump is.](http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/trump_protesters_are_heroes_theyre_reminding_voters_how_much_of_a_monster_trump_is/) A very, very compelling read. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/453 "2016-03-15T15:20:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Amanda Marcotte writes: [Trump protesters are heroes: They’re reminding voters how much of a monster Trump is.](http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/trump_protesters_are_heroes_theyre_reminding_voters_how_much_of_a_monster_trump_is/) A very, very compelling read. What a load of totalitarian tripe. “Rachel Maddow said so” is not a legitimate cite, despite what the author of that piece, and many on this message board, seem to think. Marcotte claims “the fact that Trump is openly encouraging his followers to treat disagreement as a disrespect that justifies a violent putdown.”, but the piece she links to provides no evidence of any such thing. This is some serious double-speak, considering it is Bernie’s supporters using force in an attempt to shut down a political rally. It’s not at all suprising though, there are always some left wing nut jobs like this around to apologize for those who try to shut down free expression that they don’t approve of. That professor in Missouri, the one who called for “musle” to help her eject a student journalist reporting on her protest, even had a bunch of her colleagues defending her actions. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/454 "2016-03-15T15:26:30Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > This is some serious double-speak, considering it is Bernie’s supporters using force in an attempt to shut down a political rally. They have not. > [@](#): > > That professor in Missouri, the one who called for “musle” to help her eject a student journalist reporting on her protest, even had a bunch of her colleagues defending her actions. That professor in Missouri who got fired, you mean? Yup. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/455 "2016-03-15T15:49:44Z")
Sorry did I come in too late to ask a question without reading the whole thread? Some media are referring to Chicago Trump protesters as acting “unconstitutionally.” (Krauthammer, O’reilly) In what way? There’s too many stories and half truths unchecked to get a clear story. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/456 "2016-03-15T15:54:30Z")
It’s simple; Krauthammer and O’Reilly are full of shit. Whenever either one claims someone is doing something unconstitutional just translate it as “someone is a Democrat.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/457 "2016-03-15T16:03:54Z")
Private parties can act illegally, but they cannot act unconstitutionally, only government can do that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/458 "2016-03-15T16:05:32Z")
They’re implying that Sanders wants to stop Republicans from exercising their First Amendment free speech rights. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/459 "2016-03-15T16:13:08Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > What a load of totalitarian tripe. “Rachel Maddow said so” is not a legitimate cite, despite what the author of that piece, and many on this message board, seem to think. Don’t see why not, she’s got more journalistic credibility than the whole Fox News team put together, and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/460 "2016-03-15T16:40:04Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Donald Trump did, several times. If you didn’t know that, you just haven’t been watching the news. Trump has said that these protesters are swinging at the people around them. The protesters are there to attack free speech and to attack the people who came to hear free speech. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=24)