# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/481 "2016-03-15T21:42:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Don’t see why not, she’s got more journalistic credibility than the whole Fox News team put together, and you know it. I would say, after seeing FOX News’s hard-hitting approach to the debates, that they have more journalistic credibility than _Salon_, and Marcotte in particular. Not that this is a high bar to clear. > [@elucidator](#): > > Sorry, **Hank** , but the “liberal hypocrisy” _schtick_ is patented. You owe **Bricker** a nickel. I guess I do too, because I agree with him, even though I am no one’s idea (or, fine, few people’s idea) of a right winger. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/482 "2016-03-15T21:46:16Z")
Note that up to now, as to the Dem side, Trump has mostly been excoriating and focusing attention on the Sanders crowd. What will it be like, I wonder, when Clinton gets the nomination? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/483 "2016-03-15T23:10:16Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What color is your Kool Aid? Trump supporters attack people who [aren’t even protesting.](http://time.com/4255579/donald-trump-protesters-violent/) The only part of the video that supports your claim is that older white guy cheap-shotting the black guy who was being escorted out. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/484 "2016-03-15T23:11:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He also said he’d consider paying the legal fees of someone who punched a non-violent protester who didn’t hit back. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/485 "2016-03-15T23:12:02Z")
[Really?](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/13/donald-trump-says-he-may-pay-legal-fees-of-accused-attacker/) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/486 "2016-03-15T23:17:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Looks like Trump does not know the difference, and neither the press that supports him, but there are limits even in the right wing infosphere. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/business/media/upheaval-at-breitbart-news-as-workers-resign-and-accusations-fly.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/business/media/upheaval-at-breitbart-news-as-workers-resign-and-accusations-fly.html?_r=0) This flap seems manufactured to me. When I first heard about it, I was more sympathetic to her. But since she ADMITS that she didn’t see who pulled her down, and there was another guy nearby who basically fit the same description, and that not one camera there manage to capture it, I don’t understand how she can be so adamant about her position. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/487 "2016-03-15T23:20:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Nah, the left doesn’t usually get violent until the SEIU shows up. > > What they do, however, is the typical civil disobedience stuff like linking arms to block access to sidewalks, marching down the middle of a road blocking traffic, forming queues of screaming idiots as gauntlets their opponents have to walk through, circling people and harassing them, sometimes chaining public buildings shut as they did in Wisconsin, or chaining themselves to a light standard or other permanent fixture. > > And everyone else is supposed to accept this obnoxious behavior in the name of free speech and free assembly, even if the entire purpose of it is to attempt to shut down the speech and assembly of their opponents. Legal question for you or one of our lawyers: if I’m walking north on a sidewalk, and 8 people arm-in-arm are walking south, don’t I have the right to continue walking north. Next question: how about if it’s just two or three people that try to intentionally impede my progress? What’s the law here? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/488 "2016-03-15T23:21:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The only part of the video that supports your claim is that older white guy cheap-shotting the black guy who was being escorted out. The black guy says he wasn’t even protesting, and [another man confirms that](https://youtu.be/eM7bzehxOrM?t=205). You seem to believe he was, yet have no proof for that claim. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/489 "2016-03-15T23:22:19Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Yes, you absolutely have a right to hold a counter-demonstration. Outside, on the sidewalk, in such a way that it does not interfere with people getting in and out of the event. Or even better, you can hold your own event and bar anyone wearing a Trump hat from attending, and eject anyone interrupting you with loud ranting accusations about how much you don’t want America to be great again. Sorry, but this was a _public_ event in which those running it allowed the protesters in. Are you seriously going to tell me they had no idea that these people were carrying Bernie signs? Yeah, good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/490 "2016-03-15T23:48:20Z")
They can’t read? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/491 "2016-03-15T23:48:28Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Look, the guy who sucker-punched that protester was just wrong. Flat-out wrong. He committed a crime, and if the other guy wants to press charges he should pay for what he did. Let’s not excuse horrific behavior just because it was directed at people we don’t like. I don’t dislike the guy at all, I would probably get along great with him, considering how chill he and his friend reacted when he got sucker punched. I have no idea what he was saying, and I do not know what was said to him that caused him to react in whatever manner that got him kicked out. If a white frat boy goes into a club full of young black people and starts calling people niggers and gets popped in the face, there is a good chance that no one will be arrested or cited when the cops get called. They will tell the idiot that he should have known something like that could happen, because it’s so insulting, and especially because he sought out a place where a reasonable person would expect that sort of behavior could lead to a smacking. Now, again, I don’t know if this kid did anything that rises anywhere close to this standard. But there are things that he _could_ have said in that context that would. One of those things might be calling people Nazis, if people had parents who fought and maybe even died while battling Nazis, or who just objected to being labeled as part of a group against whom violence has been so normalized. I think the old guy is most likely just off his rocker, but I do not know what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/492 "2016-03-15T23:51:25Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > What a load of totalitarian tripe. “Rachel Maddow said so” is not a legitimate cite, despite what the author of that piece, and many on this message board, seem to think. > > Marcotte claims “the fact that Trump is openly encouraging his followers to treat disagreement as a disrespect that justifies a violent putdown.”, but the piece she links to provides no evidence of any such thing. This is some serious double-speak, considering it is Bernie’s supporters using force in an attempt to shut down a political rally. > > It’s not at all suprising though, there are always some left wing nut jobs like this around to apologize for those who try to shut down free expression that they don’t approve of. That professor in Missouri, the one who called for “musle” to help her eject a student journalist reporting on her protest, even had a bunch of her colleagues defending her actions. Funny how it’s the Trump supporter who’s being charged with a felony. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/493 "2016-03-15T23:52:29Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Trump has said that these protesters are swinging at the people around them. The protesters are there to attack free speech and to attack the people who came to hear free speech. There’s so much wrong with this statement I don’t even have to comment. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/494 "2016-03-15T23:56:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > We have some people here who are total and complete experts on lefties, what they think, how they act, so on and so forth. Trouble is, I don’t think they actually know any. I’ve been solidly lefty since I was old enough to know what I wanted, and I know oodles of them. > > If there were a Trump rally here in the People’s Republic of Baja Canada (AKA Minnesota), its entirely possible that the Central Committee for Political Action of the Anarcho-Syndicalist Revolutionary Cadre would issue a “Shut him down!” manifesto. I haven’t any doubt that all six of them would march in lockstep to demonstrate their solidarity with the proletariat. > > There would also be a contingent of people there to demonstrate for their political opinion, which is that Il Douche is a blazing asshole who should not ever, never ever, be President. I kinda lean towards that camp. > > So, anyway, if I got down to the Trump rally with my “Trump is a blazing pile of dog shit!” sign, that means I went there totally under the control and authority of the Central Committee for Political Action of the Anarcho-Syndicalist Revolutionary Cadre? That despite my stated intention to dis, degrade, and otherwise sneer upon Il Douche…I’m really there to shut down his free speech! And the proof of this is the aforementioned manifesto, which clearly demonstrates the central authority of their power. > > Which proves, beyond doubt, that the vast majority of people shouting their disdain for Trump were there to shut down his free speech rights. > > See, this is what happens when people try to determine the motives of people they don’t know. They get it wrong. Herding cats is easier than asserting control of lefties. Lot of us have “issues with authority” a prominent entry into our Permanent Record. > > I totally support Trump’s free speech rights, he is doing our work for us, Goddess bless his heart and the butter than flows through his sclerotic veins. I want him to talk, loud, often, and openly! I also believe in my right to shout back, and wave my sign. (Carefully, 'cause when you got really big hands like I do, it can sometimes obscure the wording.) > > BLM does not speak for me, neither does Bernie. Not even the “antifas”, though, shit, who the hell isn’t “anti-facist”? Now, that said, I don’t know how many “Bernshirts” were actually part of this, I don’t even know such a thing exists. So, I don’t know how many lefties were there to shut down Trump’s free speech, or how many were there just to say what an asshole he is. > > Neither does **Hank Beecher**. But, I don’t claim to know. And he does. > > Trump is like the Anti-Christ character of a book that Steven King had too much class to write. > > (This post is an unintentional duplicate, meant to post it here…) Man I totally want a Like button for this. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/495 "2016-03-16T00:16:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The black guy says he wasn’t even protesting, and [another man confirms that](https://youtu.be/eM7bzehxOrM?t=205). You seem to believe he was, yet have no proof for that claim. So? Protesting or not, he got cheap-shotted by some asshole. An asshole who should have been arrested on the spot. What is your point? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/496 "2016-03-16T00:18:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So? Protesting or not, he got cheap-shotted by some asshole. An asshole who should have been arrested on the spot. What is your point? And Trump said that he’d consider paying his legal fees. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/497 "2016-03-16T00:32:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And Trump said that he’d consider paying his legal fees. I thought he made the claim about paying for someone’s legal fees before that punch. Is that not the case? That is what I asked you for a cite? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/498 "2016-03-16T00:33:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I thought he made the claim about paying for someone’s legal fees before that punch. Is that not the case? That is what I asked you for a cite? It was provided by someone else, but [here it is again](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/13/donald-trump-says-he-may-pay-legal-fees-of-accused-attacker/). He said he’d consider it, for that specific guy, after the incident. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/499 "2016-03-16T00:38:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was provided by someone else, but [here it is again](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/13/donald-trump-says-he-may-pay-legal-fees-of-accused-attacker/). He said he’d consider it, for that specific guy, after the incident. Okay, so may recollection as far as his earlier comment was correct. I was unaware about his his claim that he’d _consider_ paying the asshole’s fees. I hope he decides to let that guy suffer the consequences of his actions unaided. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/500 "2016-03-16T00:50:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Funny how it’s the Trump supporter who’s being charged with a felony. Well yeah, he threatened to kill the kid. Of course Trump is also getting threats, and people are being charged for rushing him. It’s not just Trump supporters. If anything, their aggression is a reaction to the aggressive presence of the Bernshirts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=26)