# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/41 "2016-03-12T05:48:10Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > The reason Trump rallies are the site of so much scuffling is that the media, the same media that is inadvertently driving Trump’s popularity in a quest for ratings and profit, is at the same time screaming in unison that Trump is Literally Hilter and the Return of KKK simultaneously. Naive people buy into it, and play along. Horsepucky. I saw a Trump supporter clock a guy being escorted out of a stadium - it was completely unprovoked. The supporter was interviews by MSNBC and showed no remorse - we was wondering whether the black guy was ISIS. You can’t blame the media for that kind of stupid, but you can observe that he was riffing on the sorts of things Trump says. The puncher was later arrested _but not during the event itself_. Wasn’t touched by the cops. I agree with Cruz and Kasich. Trump is a demagogue: he reaches out to the angriest most unhinged people in the crowd and amplifies them. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/42 "2016-03-12T05:48:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > a) No one broke into anyone’s house. > > b) You have just gone on record as saying speech you don’t like should be met with violence. That’s a blatant misrepresentation. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/43 "2016-03-12T05:54:03Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Horsepucky. I saw a Trump supporter clock a guy being escorted out of a stadium - it was completely unprovoked. The supporter was interviews by MSNBC and showed no remorse - we was wondering whether the black guy was ISIS. You can’t blame the media for that kind of stupid, but you can observe that he was riffing on the sorts of things Trump says. The puncher was later arrested _but not during the event itself_. Wasn’t touched by the cops. I saw it too, that crazy old coot deserves to have the book thrown at him. And tonight thousands of crazy violent fucks showed up and shut down a rally by force. How many of them were arrested? In terms of scale there is no comparison between a sucker punch by an octogenarian and a riot that shuts down a political rally. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/44 "2016-03-12T06:10:46Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So the billionaire still relies on handouts from the government. (Actually AFAIK, like in the Gorge Ramos incident, Trump does use hired security too; again, not enough in this case.) Generally speaking, police at private events are actually off-duty; they are simply picking up an extra day of work and being paid by the event organizers. It’s typically considered a win-win all the way around; the officers get extra money, and the event gets actual police on scene in case of serious problems, instead of having to rely on private security people who don’t have the same level of authority. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/45 "2016-03-12T06:20:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > a) No one broke into anyone’s house. The same also stands for any premises rented to you or booked by you. > [@](#): > > b) You have just gone on record as saying speech you don’t like should be met with violence. Nothing to do with what they are yelling. It’s about disrupting the occasion through yelling. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/46 "2016-03-12T06:22:16Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > And tonight thousands of crazy violent fucks showed up and shut down a rally by force. How many of them were arrested? > > In terms of scale there is no comparison between a sucker punch by an octogenarian and a riot that shuts down a political rally. From my admittedly limited knowledge, I wouldn’t call what happened a “riot”; nor do I know of any “violence” or “force” (unless you think that all protests inherently involve such). Have I missed any reports? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/47 "2016-03-12T06:47:09Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > I think it is standard to use local police for much of the security for good reasons. They know the venues, and the locals, and the neighborhoods, ect. I don’t think I want huge armies of Trump brand security completely taking over big stadiums. Do you? Not really, the point remains that if that is what is needed one should then begin to wonder why is this rich guy that wants to remove virtually all inheritance and corporate taxes in a very naked conflict of interests, besides raising hate and division, wants to become president. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/48 "2016-03-12T06:48:04Z")
Not so much as [Four Dead in Ohio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg-bzTHeAk) as [We’re On the Road to Never](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXYHW8GMIAk). ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/49 "2016-03-12T07:04:32Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > From my admittedly limited knowledge, I wouldn’t call what happened a “riot”; nor do I know of any “violence” or “force” (unless you think that all protests inherently involve such). Have I missed any reports? [CNN called it violent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be7qg1SOjZ8). There was apparently a lot of shoving and grabbing of Trump signs, and some punching, while most protesters were just yelling and intimidating. I only watched a small part of [this collection of footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLxfH8_sZw) and saw quite a bit of violence. [It looks like this police officer](https://twitter.com/cbschicago/status/708472522828697600) got attacked by the Bernshirts. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/50 "2016-03-12T07:06:53Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Not really, the point remains that if that is what is needed one should then begin to wonder why is this rich guy that wants to remove virtually all inheritance and corporate taxes in a very naked conflict of interests, besides raising hate and division, wants to become president. Trump probably pays more than you for taxes. Why shouldn’t he be entitled to use government services that he pays a disproportionate share of? Should he not use the interstate as well? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/51 "2016-03-12T07:14:56Z")
Trump ought to hire that fired professor Melissa Click to coordinate muscle siccing at his events. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/52 "2016-03-12T08:11:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Trump probably pays more than you for taxes. Why shouldn’t he be entitled to use government services that he pays a disproportionate share of? Should he not use the interstate as well? Trump has freely admitted to being audited by the IRS at least a dozen times so it’s rather obvious he has issues when it comes to paying his taxes. So far as I know, Gigo has never given any indication that the IRS have ever come after him because there were questions as to whether he’d cheated on his taxes or not. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/53 "2016-03-12T09:40:44Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Trump has freely admitted to being audited by the IRS at least a dozen times so it’s rather obvious he has issues when it comes to paying his taxes. > > So far as I know, Gigo has never given any indication that the IRS have ever come after him because there were questions as to whether he’d cheated on his taxes or not. An audit does not mean you have cheated on your taxes. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/54 "2016-03-12T10:49:19Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > If someone breaks into your house and starts shouting for no reason, I think you should be pardoned if you knock the crap out of that person. If Trump holds rallies at his house, then maybe it would be appropriate. But I’ll mark you into the same pro-violence category as Trump. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/55 "2016-03-12T11:08:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If Trump holds rallies at his house, then maybe it would be appropriate. But I’ll mark you into the same pro-violence category as Trump. Sure, though I am the most tolerant, non-violent person you will ever find. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/56 "2016-03-12T11:16:20Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > Yup, just what we expected out of the party of hate, fear, anger and violence. A group of people, many voicing support for Bernie Sanders, has forced Donald Trump to cancel a rally. American flags stepped on, Mexican flags waived, police assaulted, lying down in front of cars. As can be expected Chris Matthews says it was Trumps fault for campaigning there, ignoring the fact he has been saying Trump should go to more diverse areas. > > [http://www.breitbart.com/](http://www.breitbart.com/) Can’t argue with a man who cites breitbart. Well, you can, but it won’t do any good. > [@](#): > > So will anyone call on Bernie sanders to control his supporters. Will Mayor Rahm Emanuel, former Chief of Staff to President Obama, allow freedom of speech and the right to assembly in his town? I’m pretty sure you think that your question answers itself. How could an Obama minion possibly care about Constitutional freedoms? Even if he wanted to, he’s probably too busy arranging for the New Black Panthers to run ACORN as soon as Hillary refunds it. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/57 "2016-03-12T11:31:47Z")
Sanders supports acting like Nazi Brown Shirts. Predictable. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/58 "2016-03-12T11:32:42Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > The same also stands for any premises rented to you or booked by you. Again, no one broke into anyone’s house; all news reports I’ve seen indicate that Trump’s staff made little or no attempt to identify or separate protesters from pro-Trump visitors to the rally. Even if we go with that rather tortured metaphor, there were _police right there in the house_ at the time. Also, just so it’s clear, I don’t advocate shouting down or otherwise hindering campaigning activities, no matter how much I may disagree with the views of the candidate. Frankly, the shameful misbehavior on display last night will most likely be a net gain for Trump. There is simply no question, however, that Trump has knowingly fostered an atmosphere where its OK for his followers to take the law into their own hands. > [@](#): > > Nothing to do with what they are yelling. It’s about disrupting the occasion through yelling. OK, so yelling should be met with violence. A distinction without much of a difference, it seems. That guy Gandhi, from your home country, should have been advising his followers to ‘knock the crap out of them’ all along, right? ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/59 "2016-03-12T11:52:56Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Again, no one broke into anyone’s house; all news reports I’ve seen indicate that Trump’s staff made little or no attempt to identify or separate protesters from pro-Trump visitors to the rally. Even if we go with that rather tortured metaphor, there were _police right there in the house_ at the time. > > Also, just so it’s clear, I don’t advocate shouting down or otherwise hindering campaigning activities, no matter how much I may disagree with the views of the candidate. Frankly, the shameful misbehavior on display last night will most likely be a net gain for Trump. There is simply no question, however, that Trump has knowingly fostered an atmosphere where its OK for his followers to take the law into their own hands. > > OK, so yelling should be met with violence. A distinction without much of a difference, it seems. > > That guy Gandhi, from your home country, should have been advising his followers to ‘knock the crap out of them’ all along, right? Protesters are looking for trouble. If they believe in democracy they would allow the rallies to happen peacefully . maybe protest silently if they have to be present at the venue. That would be the Gandhian way perhaps. I wouldn’t hit the protester personally I think, but if someone is hitting them for their conduct I won’t be terribly upset. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/60 "2016-03-12T11:53:26Z")
Posted this in the Trump campaign thread before I realized there was a thread for this incident. > [@Trump's Republican primary campaign](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-republican-primary-campaign/729828/2404): > > Who’s stupid enough to hold an anti-Trump rally anyway? What’s the upside there? > > Are you trying to convince Trump supporters that they’re assholes and you’re offended? They’ll be proud of that. They want that. > > Are you trying to bolster Trump’s message that liberals are trying to silence him because he’s telling hard truths? Good job, you played into his message. > > Are you trying to make the mistreatment of people at his rallies not seem so bad by giving the impression that there are troublemakers that attend them? Great. > > There’s no upside to it. You’re not going to gain anything by doing it. You can only lose. Why the fuck would you do it? This is probably the best thing that could happen to the Trump campaign. It alleviates problems he was having (violent rallies) by suggesting he’s not the troublemaker. It makes him sympathetic. It makes it look like the boogeyman he’s rallying against might really exist. Everyone involved in this protest is a fucking moron. Even though Bernie has nothing to do with this and clearly wouldn’t stand for this, he’ll probably be collateral damage because the narrative will say it’s all Bernie supporters even though it’s probably mostly a mix of BLM retards, communist/anarchist/emo kids who love to protest anything, and groups of opportunistic protesters who don’t actually care but love an opportunity for violence and looting. This is exactly the sort of thing that will light a spark in Trump’s campaign, excuse his flaws, and make him sympathetic to a much bigger range of voters. You gave the impression that the nonsense he’s rallying against is actually real, and now people are going to support him to fight you. You fucking idiots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=4)