# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/81 "2016-03-12T16:29:52Z")
Ordinarily I might agree with some of the above sentiments, but this is Trump. He is truly the most evil man ever to run for president. He needs to be protested at every opportunity. His supporters will be unaffected, but I think the protests have the positive effect of mobilizing the opposition. People watching on TV may think- “holy smokes, maybe there’s a reason why hi incites such reactions.” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/82 "2016-03-12T16:30:41Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Even if some of his supporters were violent and out of line last night too, this just served to further enrage them against the nasty blacks, radical communistas and filthy Bernie supporters that crashed their party. It was like a fascist pep rally. Goebbels would indeed be proud. Quick question: I’m aware of the statements that Trump has made regarding Mexicans and Muslims, but has he also made statements against Blacks? I get the push back against Trump, but I don’t see it as a Black vs White thing. Am I missing something? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/83 "2016-03-12T16:32:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Ordinarily I might agree with some of the above sentiments, but this is Trump. He is truly the most evil man ever to run for president. He needs to be protested at every opportunity. His supporters will be unaffected, but I think the protests have the positive effect of mobilizing the opposition. People watching on TV may think- “holy smokes, maybe there’s a reason why hi incites such reactions.” I think that’s wishful thinking. While I’m sure some people will have the response you mention, I think Señor Beef’s take is the one that will rule the day. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/84 "2016-03-12T16:33:01Z")
Well it’s been hours since the anti-free speech protesters disrupted the Chicago Trump rally. The LSM have wanted a riot and they almost had one. The LSM should stick to the facts. Report the who, what, where, why, and when of these political campaigns. Instead, they repeatedly attempt to play king-maker and distort the facts. For example, the LSM recently ran with the false claim that Trump asking his supporters to pledge to show up at the polls and vote for Trump was similar to some Nazi rally. Actually, Trump’s raised right hand was similar to the four times Obama raised his right hand when Obama was swore in as President. > **[Chief Justice John Roberts to swear in Obama, twice -- again](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chief-justice-john-roberts-to-swear-in-obama-twice-again/)** > > Supreme Court chief justice will deliver oath of office to the president in two ceremonies; Sotomayor to swear in Biden A CNN reporter, live on the Chicago rally floor, mentioned that the Chicago Police (aka Democrat Rahm “Obama’s former Chief of Staff” Emanuel’s police) had earlier been visible on the floor of the rally but had disappeared. After the police pulled back, the protesters appeared. What a coincidence!?!?!? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/85 "2016-03-12T16:36:12Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > ctually, Trump’s raised right hand was similar to the four times Obama raised his right hand when Obama was swore in as President. Actually, I thought it was three times. The first swearing in had to be redone because John Roberts flubbed the lines. The difference is that Obama swore to uphold the Constitution, Trump directed his lemmings to swear their allegiance to him personally. Sort of like how Hitler had people swear an oath to him personally. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/86 "2016-03-12T16:38:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Quick question: I’m aware of the statements that Trump has made regarding Mexicans and Muslims, but has he also made statements against Blacks? I get the push back against Trump, but I don’t see it as a Black vs White thing. Am I missing something? Not that I know of (from the candidate), but there were lots of BLM supporters there protesting last night, so it’s organically creating a lot of hatred and division between AAs and Trump’s angry white men. This seems to be something that’s developing not from the top of the campaign, but from his supporters. As he’s spoken against Muslims and Mexicans, I suppose the anti-Mexican and anti-Mexican crowd that flock to his rallies also have some anti-black tendencies. So having video footage of angry black men fighting white people who just happened to show up for a nice political campaign event sets up a narrative quite nicely for the Trump campaign to now exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/87 "2016-03-12T16:53:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > . The LSM have wanted a riot and they almost had one. The LSM should stick to the facts. Report the who, what, where, why, and when of these political campaigns. Instead, they repeatedly attempt to play king-maker and distort the facts. > > … > > A CNN reporter, live on the Chicago rally floor, mentioned that the Chicago Police (aka Democrat Rahm “Obama’s former Chief of Staff” Emanuel’s police) had earlier been visible on the floor of the rally but had disappeared. > > After the police pulled back, the protesters appeared. What a coincidence!?!?!? Wait, so is CNN part of the “LSM” that’s trying to create riots and play kingmaker, or are they the voice of truth working to expose the vast left-wing conspiracy against Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/88 "2016-03-12T16:54:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Well said. It really alps to protest form a moral high ground. While I’m sure the protestors felt they had it, they’ve now ceded it. In exactly what way did the protestors “cede the high ground”? They didn’t force Trump to run away crying victim - he did that on his own because he’s a coward who can’t stand to have his ego challenged. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/89 "2016-03-12T16:54:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The most counterproductive way to convince someone you have a virtue is to baldly declare your possession of that virtue. > > Trust me: I’m the most insightful guy you’ll ever meet :). > > * * * > > I’m not at all a fan of the protesters who are shouting profanities or jeering at Trump supporters. That’s some shitty lazy activism, and they’ll probably defend themselves by pointing at me and saying, “TONE POLICE!” or some bullshit. > > Trump should absolutely be protested, but the audience for a protest is the general public. You want the public to look at you, and to look at those you’re protesting, and think, “Wow, the protesters really are a decent sort, and look at those shitty fuckers they’re protesting against!” That’s how Gandhi and MLK and other effective nonviolent protesters made it work. > > These protesters aren’t doing that. The casual observer will see them, and see the Trump supporters, and see no real difference between them. That’s ineffective protest tactics 101. > > An effective protest against Trump might include something like a line of people, each holding a picture of an undocumented child deported from the US, each person ready to tell the story of that child. Something quiet, something visceral, something that confronts emotionally and morally but not physically. I have to agree almost with all this, but there is a bit that does not match regarding the casual observers. Sure, the Trump followers will continue to support him, but what I have seen in the media like ABC and CBS is that both sides have been criticized, the problem for the ones that want to make this as simple as a failing for **just** the protesters is that the Republican opponents of Trump came to also complaining about the gasoline trowing of Trump (too late of course) and that has been added to the reporting. > **[CBS News journalist caught in turmoil at canceled Donald Trump rally](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-chicago-canceled-rally-cbs-news-journalist-captured-tensions-before-arrest/)** > > Sopan Deb covered all of Friday night's events as tensions built until he himself was detained That the police arrested a CBS reporter with little reason does not help the idea that only the protesters are the ones that deserve criticism in this case. > **[CBS News journalist caught in turmoil at canceled Donald Trump rally](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-chicago-canceled-rally-cbs-news-journalist-captured-tensions-before-arrest/)** > > Sopan Deb covered all of Friday night's events as tensions built until he himself was detained ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/90 "2016-03-12T16:58:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Quick question: I’m aware of the statements that Trump has made regarding Mexicans and Muslims, but has he also made statements against Blacks? I get the push back against Trump, but I don’t see it as a Black vs White thing. Am I missing something? Well, there’s the [incorrect tweet he sent out](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/) about black on white homicide. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/91 "2016-03-12T17:02:21Z")
Uh, somehow the copy of the link was not working regarding the first link, it kept on posting the last one, here is the correct first link: > **[Anger surrounding Trump campaign reaches boiling point](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-rally-chicago-heated-exchanges-cancellation-election-2016/)** > > Fights break out after Republican front-runner cancels campaign event in Chicago over security concerns ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/92 "2016-03-12T17:04:52Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Quick question: I’m aware of the statements that Trump has made regarding Mexicans and Muslims, but has he also made statements against Blacks? I get the push back against Trump, but I don’t see it as a Black vs White thing. Am I missing something? He’s retweeted bogus stats on black crime from open white supremacists and neo-nazis. He’s also been very slow to disavow racist supporters like David Duke and the kkk, and feigned ignorance of Duke even though he had specifically criticized Duke years before. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/93 "2016-03-12T17:07:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I have to agree almost with all this, but there is a bit that does not match regarding the casual observers. Sure, the Trump followers will continue to support him, but what I have seen in the media like ABC and CBS is that both sides have been criticized, the problem for the ones that want to make this as simple as a failing for **just** the protesters is that the Republican opponents of Trump came to also complaining about the gasoline trowing of Trump (too late of course) and that has been added to the reporting. > > [CBS News journalist caught in turmoil at canceled Donald Trump rally - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-chicago-canceled-rally-cbs-news-journalist-captured-tensions-before-arrest/) > > That the police arrested a CBS reporter with little reason does not help the idea that only the protesters are the ones that deserve criticism in this case. > > [CBS News journalist caught in turmoil at canceled Donald Trump rally - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-chicago-canceled-rally-cbs-news-journalist-captured-tensions-before-arrest/) [underlining added] Is there a word missing or typoed in the underlined section [edit: besides “throwing,” I figured that one out]? If not, could you rephrase it? I can’t figure out what it means. In any case, I don’t think it’s solely a failing of the protesters. But the protesters are likelier to listen to reason than the Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/94 "2016-03-12T17:14:11Z")
As usual, the liberal media aren’t reporting [the real story](https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2bu9/what_really_happened_at_the_chicago_rally_my/d0wwgyt): > [@](#): > > Because you were in there, I don’t blame you for not knowing, but it was a matter of life and death. > I was listening to the police scanner throughout. Two people were shot in one of three separate shooting incidents. The cops were chasing a white dodge ram with temp tags, I’m unsure if they were able to stop the vehicle. There were multiple assaults happening everywhere. It came over the scanner that a group of black protestors were targeting and assaulting white Trump supporters. Rioters were stealing Trump signs from supporters and ripping them up. They were throwing bottles and rocks at police. They managed to climb the walls of the parking garage and up on the third floor were hitting cars with bats and hammers smashing in windows. Two police officers were taken to the hospital with serious injuries. They were blocking highways and side streets trying to prevent people from leaving so they could attack them. People were getting violent with police and when they would arrest someone other people would come over and attack the police. Two hispanic males shot at a firetruck. A black male was seen walking around with a handgun, description was white shirt black pants red shoes. > It was insane. Even crazier was the fact that the media wasn’t reporting on any of it. You know they have scanners and the entire time I’m hearing the people on the news saying that it was a peaceful protest. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/95 "2016-03-12T17:14:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, there’s the [incorrect tweet he sent out](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/) about black on white homicide. And as pointed before, it could be plausible to ignore if it wasn’t that Trump showed later that he continues to rely on reprehensible sources that betray where he is coming from. Willfully joining Sheriff Joe Arpaio and seeking his support after it was announced that he had his men do racial profiling and investigate wifes of judges in their case was another clue. [http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/02/10/trump-retweets-white-genocide-account-](http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/02/10/trump-retweets-white-genocide-account-)…-stop-youve-heard-one/ > [@](#): > > Trump Retweets ‘White Genocide’ Account … Stop Me If You’ve Heard This One > [@](#): > > That incident actually made a fair amount of news. The Donald, who has a famously amazing memory according to himself and his spokespeople, couldn’t have forgotten that. It’s impossible. His memory is that good. And since we’ve also been assured by him many times that he is one of the smartest people in the world, there’s no chance he didn’t understand it either. > > So one can only conclude that he simply knew exactly what he was doing, and did so for the very reason that he did the first time. He is directly winking at the large “White Nationalist”/KKK/Neo-Nazi following he has online. He must want their support. And that is from the very conservative RedState, as I already pointed at other that noted that from the left side of things. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/96 "2016-03-12T17:18:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Wait, so is CNN part of the “LSM” that’s trying to create riots and play kingmaker, or are they the voice of truth working to expose the vast left-wing conspiracy against Trump? Any media outlet can be both the MSM and the LSM. They’re the MSM when they report the facts. They become the LSM when they claim that Trump’s raised hand gesture, which was similar to Obama’s raised hand swearing-in gesture, is some sort of Nazi salute. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/97 "2016-03-12T17:19:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [underlining added] > Is there a word missing or typoed in the underlined section [edit: besides “throwing,” I figured that one out]? If not, could you rephrase it? I can’t figure out what it means. Yes, it was supposed to be throwing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/98 "2016-03-12T17:20:43Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > As usual, the liberal media aren’t reporting [the real story](https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2bu9/what_really_happened_at_the_chicago_rally_my/d0wwgyt): Sounds legit, Mr. Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/99 "2016-03-12T17:22:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He’s retweeted bogus stats on black crime from open white supremacists and neo-nazis. He’s also been very slow to disavow racist supporters like David Duke and the kkk, and feigned ignorance of Duke even though he had specifically criticized Duke years before. This is false. He was asked about an unspecified list of groups and refused to condemn them _all_ without knowing who they were. He had disavowed Duke many times before, including on Twitter the night before that interview. The whole firestorm over Trump’s supposed refusal to repudiate the endorsement played right into Duke’s effort to insert his irrelevant self into an invented controversy, and the media’s participaion shows that they have no problem whatsoever giving Duke exposure in order to drive ratings and weave a convenient and false narrative. Or, to quote this Trump supporter: [“David Duke and people like that, they come out from under the rocks all the time around this time of year. It’s got nothing to do with Donald Trump, I think we need to stop with all the racist stuff and all the race-baiting … Nobody paying David Duke no mind”](https://youtu.be/8NVVwZVd6ZM) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/100 "2016-03-12T17:24:45Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yes, it was supposed to be throwing. Right, but even with that, I can’t parse that underlined bit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=6)