# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/121 "2016-03-12T18:17:56Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Wrong, he specifically denied any association. No, he lied and said he didn’t know who David Duke was and refused to disavow his endorsement. > [@](#): > > You didn’t answer the question. I’m not interested in discussing hypotheticals about events that never took place. Do you have the video or don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/122 "2016-03-12T18:18:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [underlining added] > > In any case, I don’t think it’s solely a failing of the protesters. But the protesters are likelier to listen to reason than the Trump supporters. That’s an ironic claim about the group that is trying to stop someone from talking. They don’t want to hear anything except what they agree with. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/123 "2016-03-12T18:26:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And like Trump says, they should knock the crap out of the protesters. Don’t worry, Trump says he’ll pay their legal fees. > > Yay violence! Considering the fact that political violence in the U.S. is overwhelmingly used by the left it is no surprise you would like it. I’ve posted the numbers before on the 'Dope but they are, of course, ignored. Just better to believe your side is always right and ignore the facts. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/124 "2016-03-12T18:28:05Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So then you’re saying Trump was lying when he told Tapper he didn’t know anything about David Duke? No he wasn’t, he was clearly refuting the implication that he was intimately familiar with him. You are applying an unreasonably nit-picky level of scrutiny to his words in this particular case. He didn’t say that he hadn’t heard of Duke, just that he didn’t know anything about him and his ideology. Again this is a perfectly reasonable response to the attempt to associate him with a person and ideology that he has never supported. Lots and lots of people of all races see right through it. > [@](#): > > Or he could have, you know, said “I disavow these people” instead of being wishy-washy for fear of alienating the racists who support him. Duke has very very little influence. Trump had no fear of alienating racist by disavowing Duke, or he wouldn’t have done it the very night before the interview in question. He was refuting the implied premise that he had some sort of special association with Duke, when Duke is quick to endorse all kinds of people in order to stoke controversy and garner exposure. > [@](#): > > Aside from when he tweets about “white genocide” and posts false statistics about black-on-white violence and calls all Mexicans rapists and says that all Muslims hate America. He said all Mexicans are rapists and all Muslims hate America? Hyperbole much? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/125 "2016-03-12T18:28:42Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > He had already disavowed him the night before. The constant mentioning of Trump with KKK/Nazis is an attempt to associate him with these ideologies and persons that he has never supported, and he responded appropriately by refusing to go meekly along with the implication that he was associated with them. If Trump wad really trying to pander to white supremacists he certainly wouldn’t spend so much time on his stage with black people, or call himself a big supporter of Israel. And it takes some serious ignorance to be unaware of this. > > It’s an antiqued and desperate line of attack by those ill equipped and too lazy to craft an appropriate response to a popular nationalist and natavist candidate who isn’t using racialist language, and thus isn’t a good target for the kinds of tropes his opponents are used to lobbing. And even though you know it you continue to carry water for him. Besides I already did noted many times before how the company Trump keeps to be better evidence of what Trump is supporting to and seeking support from. As I posted before, Trump is proud to get the endorsement and support of Joe Arpaio. But what Arapio is doing is not rhetorical, the courts have already found that the police department was doing racial profiling and Arapio is in the courts again because he attempted to get around the remedies the court ordered. Investigating the wife of the current judge in his case in an attempt at intimidation does not help too. \*But Trump loves what he sees there. \* **That is because while those legal issues were taking place in the open Trump decided that Arapio was a nice guy to join and get his support from.** I have seen enough to conclude that Arapio is looking to get relief from the federal watchful eyes if Trump become president, and to continue to put those ‘black and brown people’ in place. One has to add that people like Arpaio would be employed in Trump’s Operation Wetback II, last time it took place people did indeed die. > **[It Came Up In The Debate: Here Are 3 Things To Know About 'Operation Wetback'](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/11/455613993/it-came-up-in-the-debate-here-are-3-things-to-know-about-operation-wetback)** > > Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump pointed to the Eisenhower-era program that deported masses of Latino immigrants. But the program was deadly and controversial. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/126 "2016-03-12T18:29:08Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Considering the fact that political violence in the U.S. is overwhelmingly used by the left it is no surprise you would like it. > > I’ve posted the numbers before on the 'Dope but they are, of course, ignored. Just better to believe your side is always right and ignore the facts. > > Slee Lynching was not of the left, nor was Jim Crow, anti immigrant violence, and brutalization of Native Americans. In case you missed my sarcasm, I renounce and oppose violence, unlike Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/127 "2016-03-12T18:30:33Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > No he wasn’t, he was clearly refuting the implication that he was intimately familiar with him. Trump didn’t say “I’m not intimately familiar with David Duke”. He said “I don’t know _anything_ about David Duke”. That is, quite obviously, a lie. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/128 "2016-03-12T18:36:34Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Considering the fact that political violence in the U.S. is overwhelmingly used by the left it is no surprise you would like it. I think you are ignoring that **iiandyiiii** is whooshing you, he is coming also from the side that did think for a long time that Trump was the dream candidate for the Democrats to get as an opponent in the general election, as he is the most likely to go down in flames against the Democratic candidate. I did worry about it because I expected that Trump’s heated rhetoric would only lead to items like the one we are talking about (and protesters and followers of Trump do deserve criticism in this case) but it seems that **iiandyiiii** will get his wish. :sigh: it is bound to get uglier in places like Arizona but I decided to volunteers to to defeat Trump, it is still more likely that I will get into the sights of many followers of Arpaio and Trump in the general election. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/129 "2016-03-12T18:41:29Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Should I even bother to take the time? If I do so are you going to demand that Sanders disavow those of his supporters who used force and violence to shut down their opponent’s political rally? Or will you minimize it and imply that it’s acceptable or expected because Trump=Literally Hitler J. KKK? To coin a phrase, pix or it didn’t happen. Seriously, though, I had no idea it was so difficult for you to insert a link into a post. Do you need some help? You claim to have evidence of widespread violence against Trump supporters, and yet it seems you can’t be arsed to present this evidence because a single poster on this board won’t answer a pointless question that you made up on the spot. What about all the other people reading this thread? What about the satisfaction of demonstrating that indeed you are correct, whether or not anyone else cares to admit it? ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/130 "2016-03-12T18:45:00Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > If someone breaks into your house and starts shouting for no reason, I think you should be pardoned if you knock the crap out of that person. The “no reason” is the weak link in that statement. Inciting hate against people is good reason to expect a reaction against it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/131 "2016-03-12T19:02:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nonsense, what Trump did was not reasonable in light of Trump himself disavowing David Duke later anyhow, clearly showing that what he did early was big blunder. Trump disavowed the KKK/Duke before and after the Tapper/Trump miscommunication. It’s clear that this was a miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and that it was later clarified. Except, of course, to anyone who might hate Trump and will jump at any chance to reject any attempt at clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/132 "2016-03-12T19:06:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Trump disavowed the KKK/Duke before and after the Tapper/Trump miscommunication. It’s clear that this was a miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and that it was later clarified. So Trump isn’t a liar, he’s just an idiot. That’s _much_ better. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/133 "2016-03-12T19:15:57Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Considering the fact that political violence in the U.S. is overwhelmingly used by the left it is no surprise you would like it. > > I’ve posted the numbers before on the 'Dope but they are, of course, ignored. Just better to believe your side is always right and ignore the facts. > > Slee Well, I haven’t read these other posts of yours. Care to link to your old posts that link to evidence that this is true? Because, you know, there seems to have been more political violence committed by the Bundy family and their friends in the past couple of years than the left in this country has been involved in since the beginning of the millennium. Please correct me if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/134 "2016-03-12T19:50:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > For example, the LSM recently ran with the false claim that Trump asking his supporters to pledge to show up at the polls and vote for Trump was similar to some Nazi rally. [Oh, and about that…](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdUT0DyWAAAtDpJ.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/135 "2016-03-12T19:53:12Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Ordinarily I might agree with some of the above sentiments, but this is Trump. He is truly the most evil man ever to run for president. He needs to be protested at every opportunity. His supporters will be unaffected, but I think the protests have the positive effect of mobilizing the opposition. People watching on TV may think- “holy smokes, maybe there’s a reason why hi incites such reactions.” No. A thousand times, no. I don’t care if he is literally Hitler and Mussolini reanimated. The bright line has to be inviolate. And all the posts pointing to bad things that Trump and his supporters have done are completely beside the point. One of my Facebook friends asked, “Wouldn’t you rather stop an incipient facist threat when there’s still time to do something about it nonviolently? I would.” My response: And what if a bunch of right-wingers decided that the real question is “wouldn’t you rather stop an incipient socialist revolution when there’s still time to do something about it nonviolently?” Remember, I’m a guy who has consistently stood up for things like the ACLU going to court to protect the KKK’s rights to march. Protecting freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means protecting it for everyone, both because the principle ethically needs to be universal and also because if you start carving out exceptions the next exception may be for your group. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/136 "2016-03-12T19:55:42Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > To coin a phrase, pix or it didn’t happen. > > Seriously, though, I had no idea it was so difficult for you to insert a link into a post. Do you need some help? You claim to have evidence of widespread violence against Trump supporters, and yet it seems you can’t be arsed to present this evidence because a single poster on this board won’t answer a pointless question that you made up on the spot. What about all the other people reading this thread? What about the satisfaction of demonstrating that indeed you are correct, whether or not anyone else cares to admit it? First of all I was on mobile, secondly I have already giving links in this very thread. Here are some more: [Anti Trump Protestors block ambulance in Chicago](https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/708525579600064512) [More footage of attacking protesters, injured police, Bernshirts chanting “Bernie Bernie”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZNvL6J1Oc) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/137 "2016-03-12T19:57:18Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > No. A thousand times, no. I don’t care if he is literally Hitler and Mussolini reanimated. The bright line has to be inviolate. And all the posts pointing to bad things that Trump and his supporters have done are completely beside the point. You know, I’m mostly there with you. You’re right that the bright line must be inviolate. My question now is, was the bright line crossed? My understanding is that the protesters, until the rally was postponed, followed every law. After the postponement is when violence broke out, but I’m still looking for evidence that the violence came mainly, or even significantly, from protesters and not from Trump supporters. The one bit of violence I have seen is the police who beat down a CBS reporter who was covering the arrest of a protester. Given the fact that they knocked him to the ground and put a boot on his neck (literally that’s what happened, I’m not just bringing Orwell in for the hell of it) for no clear crime, I’m suspicious that the other protester had done anything either. So, what evidence is there that these protesters crossed a bright line? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/138 "2016-03-12T19:57:21Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Protecting freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means protecting it for everyone, both because the principle ethically needs to be universal and also because if you start carving out exceptions the next exception may be for your group. Fortunately, the government was in no way involved in Trump’s decision to cancel his appearance last night, so the principles of freedom of speech and assembly have in no way been infringed upon. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/139 "2016-03-12T19:58:39Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > [Anti Trump Protestors block ambulance in Chicago](https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/708525579600064512) > > [More footage of attacking protesters, injured police, Bernshirts chanting “Bernie Bernie”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZNvL6J1Oc) Neither of those videos show anything resembling what you claim. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/140 "2016-03-12T19:58:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Of course I expect Sanders to sharply rebuke supporters who use violence. Betcha a dollar it happens in the next 24 hours. Let’s see if he disavows the Black Lives Matter movement, as Trump has disavowed the KKK and Donald Duke, or if he refuses to do so out of a fear that doing so would alienate many of his supporters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=8)