# Sanders's Supporters Brownshirts Stop Trump Rally in Chicago **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 12, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710 "2016-03-12T02:28:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/141 "2016-03-12T20:00:29Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Let’s see if he disavows the Black Lives Matter movement Why should he? > [@](#): > > Donald Duke …Freudian slip, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/142 "2016-03-12T20:00:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Neither of those videos show anything describing what you claim. And there we have it, standard denialist tactics. Ask for evidence even when it has already been provided. Once it is provided again, pretend that it doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/143 "2016-03-12T20:02:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Why should he? Because they incited and participated in an act of massive mob violence which shut down a political rally. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/144 "2016-03-12T20:02:29Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > And there we have it, standard denialist tactics. Ask for evidence even when it has already been provided. Once it is provided again, pretend that it doesn’t exist. You’d have to provide evidence first. > [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Because they incited and participated in an act of massive mob violence which shut down a political rally. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/145 "2016-03-12T20:03:17Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Why should he? > > …Freudian slip, maybe? Or maybe not… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/146 "2016-03-12T20:04:03Z")
You showed a video of people blocking an ambulance. How can you tell that they’re Sanders supporters? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/147 "2016-03-12T20:06:12Z")
And why would BLM want to shut down a Trump rally, anyway? [Donald Trump has a _great_ relationship with the blacks.](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/trump-says-he-has-good-relationship-with-the-blacks/) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/148 "2016-03-12T20:06:22Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > First of all I was on mobile, secondly I have already giving links in this very thread. > > Here are some more: > > [Anti Trump Protestors block ambulance in Chicago](https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/708525579600064512) > > [More footage of attacking protesters, injured police, Bernshirts chanting “Bernie Bernie”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZNvL6J1Oc) All right. I watched both your videos. The first one? That sucks. Blocking an ambulance, for **almost any reason** , is awful. Now, it’s possible that there’s some extenuating circumstance, but I can’t think of one. I condemn those two protesters (did I count right? two?) who blocked the ambulance, and I expect everyone else to join me in that condemnation. The second one? What the fuck was that supposed to prove? There was ONE videod act of violence: a white guy in a baseball cap putting a black guy in a headlock, and when the black guy got free, he came after the white guy. Level heads on both sides held them back. So is this what it all comes down to? Two protesters got in the way of an ambulance like a couple of giant assholes? Let’s condemn those two. If it’s one incident involving two people, let’s not pretend like it’s a pattern. > [@Chronos](#): > > You showed a video of people blocking an ambulance. How can you tell that they’re Sanders supporters? C’mon. They may not be Sanders supporters, but you think those two were there to support Trump? Despite what the man says, The Blacks haven’t been coming out in force for him. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/149 "2016-03-12T20:07:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You’d have to provide evidence first. rofl…you do realize that this sort of head in the sand denial of reality is very possibly going to end up causing Donald Fucking Trump to be our president, don’t you? > [@](#): > > Cite? Oh get real. The videos of the riot and shutdown of the rally are all over the place, if you are going to insist with this much fervor on retaining your ignorance I am just going to have to let you keep it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/150 "2016-03-12T20:08:52Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You know, I’m mostly there with you. You’re right that the bright line must be inviolate. > > My question now is, was the bright line crossed? > > My understanding is that the protesters, until the rally was postponed, followed every law. After the postponement is when violence broke out, but I’m still looking for evidence that the violence came mainly, or even significantly, from protesters and not from Trump supporters. > > The one bit of violence I have seen is the police who beat down a CBS reporter who was covering the arrest of a protester. Given the fact that they knocked him to the ground and put a boot on his neck (literally that’s what happened, I’m not just bringing Orwell in for the hell of it) for no clear crime, I’m suspicious that the other protester had done anything either. > > So, what evidence is there that these protesters crossed a bright line? I’m not talking about the bright line of violence, although that is obviously another one. I’m talking about disrupting an event so that the speaker who booked the venue cannot speak without being shouted over. Even if it only prevents people in one part of the venue from hearing or seeing, that’s not OK. BTW, I felt the same about the BLM protesters who disrupted Bernie Sanders’s speech. Not OK. Hold your own damn rally or protest outside. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/151 "2016-03-12T20:09:30Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > Let’s see if he disavows the Black Lives Matter movement, as Trump has disavowed the KKK and Donald Duke Are you for real? Are you seriously equating the idea that black people shouldn’t be killed by police with the idea that white people should rule supreme over the United States and kill black people who disagree? I mean, I can post lists of murders committed by Klan activities vs. by BLM activities if you need me to, but if you actually ask for those stats, I’m gonna be drawing some conclusions about your debating style. Don’t draw foolish analogies. Keep your discussion in the real world, please. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/152 "2016-03-12T20:10:10Z")
> [@Hank\_Beecher](#): > > rofl…you do realize that this sort of head in the sand denial of reality is very possibly going to end up causing Donald Fucking Trump to be our president, don’t you? Support for Donald Trump _is_ predicated on head-in-the-sand denial of reality, yes, I’ll give you that. > [@](#): > > The videos of the riot and shutdown of the rally are all over the place And yet, the best you can come up with is a brief clip of _two guys_ (who you can’t prove were Sanders supporters) standing in front of an ambulance for ten seconds, and a white guy assaulting a black guy, completely absent of any context as to when they happened and the affiliations of the people involved. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/153 "2016-03-12T20:11:17Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m not talking about the bright line of violence, although that is obviously another one. I’m talking about disrupting an event so that the speaker who booked the venue cannot speak without being shouted over. Even if it only prevents people in one part of the venue from hearing or seeing, that’s not OK. > > BTW, I felt the same about the BLM protesters who disrupted Bernie Sanders’s speech. Not OK. Hold your own damn rally or protest outside. That’s fair enough. I’m pretty sure I agree that there’s a bright line there as well, although it gets confounded by financial issues (obviously someone with millions of dollars to hire an arena doesn’t actually have more right to a hearing than someone without that money, but it ends up working out that way). Nevertheless, I agree: to the extent that you actually are preventing other people from getting out their message, you’re behaving poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/154 "2016-03-12T20:12:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You showed a video of people blocking an ambulance. How can you tell that they’re Sanders supporters? You have a point. Let’s just call them radical leftist scumbags blocking an ambulance. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/155 "2016-03-12T20:15:43Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > You have a point. Let’s just call them radical leftist scumbags blocking an ambulance. How can you tell from the video that they’re “radical leftists”? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/156 "2016-03-12T20:16:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > That’s fair enough. I’m pretty sure I agree that there’s a bright line there as well, although it gets confounded by financial issues (obviously someone with millions of dollars to hire an arena doesn’t actually have more right to a hearing than someone without that money, but it ends up working out that way). > > Nevertheless, I agree: to the extent that you actually are preventing other people from getting out their message, you’re behaving poorly. Cool. I predict BTW that Drumpf is going to publicly suggest that his supporters do the same thing at Bernie Sanders rallies. Won’t that be fun. A real shit show. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/157 "2016-03-12T20:17:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Neither of those videos show anything resembling what you claim. Are you saying that the second video does not in fact have people chanting “Bernie”? What were they actually chanting that sounded exactly like “Bernie”? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/158 "2016-03-12T20:20:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > All right. I watched both your videos. > > The first one? That sucks. Blocking an ambulance, for **almost any reason** , is awful. Now, it’s possible that there’s some extenuating circumstance, but I can’t think of one. I condemn those two protesters (did I count right? two?) who blocked the ambulance, and I expect everyone else to join me in that condemnation. There was an entire wall of activists behind those people. > [@](#): > > The second one? What the fuck was that supposed to prove? There was ONE videod act of violence: a white guy in a baseball cap putting a black guy in a headlock, and when the black guy got free, he came after the white guy. Level heads on both sides held them back. There was a lot of violence. [The video that I posted in the first page of this thread](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPLxfH8_sZw)is nearly an hour long. I scanned through the different parts of it, only seeing about five or ten minutes, and there was a lot of violence just in that small sample. But the news of the violence isn’t being repeated non-stop on every news source like the anti-Trump propaganda, which leads to the narrative we have here in which a sucker punch from an elderly man is worse than Bernie supporters committing large scale mob violence to shut down the political speech of their opponents. > [@](#): > > So is this what it all comes down to? Two protesters got in the way of an ambulance like a couple of giant assholes? Let’s condemn those two. If it’s one incident involving two people, let’s not pretend like it’s a pattern. ROFL :smack::smack: Not a pattern…oh lawd. I don’t suppose you noticed the massive crowd forming walls to block traffic from two main streets. That’s a pattern if there ever was one. An actual, physical pattern, laid out on the streets and filmed from a helicopter for all the world to see. > [@](#): > > C’mon. They may not be Sanders supporters, but you think those two were there to support Trump? Despite what the man says, The Blacks haven’t been coming out in force for him. And you know this how? ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/159 "2016-03-12T20:22:33Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Cool. > > I predict BTW that Drumpf is going to publicly suggest that his supporters do the same thing at Bernie Sanders rallies. Won’t that be fun. A real shit show. :smack: I doubt it. He will more likely point out how it does not happen as evidence that his supporters are infinitely more civilized than his detractors. ---
**Author:** ![Hank\_Beecher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hank_beecher/32/7275_2.png) [@Hank\_Beecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hank_Beecher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710/160 "2016-03-12T20:27:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Are you for real? Are you seriously equating the idea that black people shouldn’t be killed by police The BLM movement goes as far beyond the position you are ascribing to them as the KKK goes beyond the position that they are simply a civil rights group for white people. BLM is a a violent mob of arsonists who’s main tactics are to disrupt activities and speech that they disagree with. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sanderss-supporters-brownshirts-stop-trump-rally-in-chicago/748710.md?page=9)