# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")
This is chilling. Just wanted to find out: Is a cop supposed to be able to tell you to put out your cigarette on a traffic signal warning? Can they reach and open your door for that? Can they drag you out? WTF. If he says its a lawful arrest does he have to give a reason? ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/2 "2015-07-22T06:01:21Z")
I’m guessing the OP is talking about [this](http://time.com/3967005/sandra-bland-police-video-dashboard/). ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/3 "2015-07-22T06:02:54Z")
Strike when I said “Lawful arrest” He said “This is a lawful order!” over and over. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/4 "2015-07-22T06:28:57Z")
Killed the poor girl over a cigarette … ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/5 "2015-07-22T08:52:26Z")
[**Gyrate**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18537812&postcount=5323) posted about this video in the omnibus thread in the Pit: > [@](#): > > The Texas Department of Public Safety has released a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU&feature=youtu.be) of Sandra Bland’s traffic stop, and there is no evidence of any tampering with that video. It all looks perfectly normal, although they might want to send someone to **check out that weird space-time anomaly that’s causing cars to disappear and reappear from about 32:30 onwards for a minute or so.** My emphasis. I didn’t catch it the first time I watched the thread because I was listening to the audio only by then. What’s going on there? ---
**Author:** ![Obeseus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbce88/32.png) [@Obeseus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Obeseus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/6 "2015-07-22T09:17:23Z")
> [@](#): > > anomaly that’s causing cars to disappear and reappear from about 32:30 onwards for a minute or so. Yeah, that’s weird. That white car is in and out at least three times. White car turning left at 32:44 is same car turning at 33:12. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/7 "2015-07-22T09:45:44Z")
Someone tweeted a list of all the edit times: 25:18 26:06 26:29 26:40 32:38 33:05 33:24 33:56 34:06 So what are the chances the video at the jail was doctored as well? ---
**Author:** ![JVDaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@JVDaly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JVDaly)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/8 "2015-07-22T10:31:49Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Someone tweeted a list of all the edit times: > > 25:18 > 26:06 > 26:29 > 26:40 > 32:38 > 33:05 > 33:24 > 33:56 > 34:06 > > So what are the chances the video at the jail was doctored as well? I don’t know anything about technology but could those seeming edits just be the result of crappy camera gear? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/9 "2015-07-22T11:11:16Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > I don’t know anything about technology but could those seeming edits just be the result of crappy camera gear? All things are possible but that’d be a pretty odd glitch, particularly as the audio is unaffected. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/10 "2015-07-22T11:30:03Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > I don’t know anything about technology but could those seeming edits just be the result of crappy camera gear? I worked in post-production for a short while. I could see faulty recording gear causing flickers, artifacts (garbled areas of one or multiple frames), dropped frames or loss of video/sound altogether. \*Repeating \*frames is a new one for me however. I’m not sure how that would even work. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/11 "2015-07-22T11:55:40Z")
There is a [new warning sign](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/21/1404253/-Someone-put-up-a-new-warning-sign-for-motorists-in-the-town-where-Sandra-Bland-was-arrested) in the area. Questions abound. Why did she have to put out her cigarette for a lousy traffic stop? THAT was worth pulling her out of the car for? Why would this be a lawful order? The dashcam video has some quirks. I think that needs to go to the FBI for recovery or reconstruction. Was the autopsy done properly? Could they tell a hanging from strangulation by others? Did they properly document with photographs? The jail video- we don’t see Bland. We see people coming and going. Who’s to say that they weren’t the killers? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/12 "2015-07-22T12:16:06Z")
So we have two possibilities. Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason and make it look like a suicide, then got IT to delete the video footage, fake the forensic evidence in the autopsy, and then decided to go back and edit the video footage of her arrest, but leave the audio intact, but not leave out the parts where the officer screams at her and threatens her with a Taser in violation of police procedure. Or, a depressed woman with PTSD hanged herself in nail. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/13 "2015-07-22T12:21:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So we have two possibilities. > > Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason and make it look like a suicide, then got IT to delete the video footage, fake the forensic evidence in the autopsy, and then decided to go back and edit the video footage of her arrest, but leave the audio intact, but not leave out the parts where the officer screams at her and threatens her with a Taser in violation of police procedure. > > Or, a depressed woman with PTSD hanged herself in nail. She was pulled in for DWB, that’s reason enough in some locales. There was no need for IT to alter the jail footage as it proves nothing: we don’t see inside the cell and we don’t see Bland. Presuming that the people we do see are innocent requires an act of faith. Since there are some anomalies with the arrest video, we need to find out if they can be reconstructed. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/14 "2015-07-22T12:25:45Z")
What is the official reason that she was held for three days? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/15 "2015-07-22T12:27:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So we have two possibilities. > > Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason and make it look like a suicide, then got IT to delete the video footage, fake the forensic evidence in the autopsy, and then decided to go back and edit the video footage of her arrest, but leave the audio intact, but not leave out the parts where the officer screams at her and threatens her with a Taser in violation of police procedure. > > Or, a depressed woman with PTSD hanged herself in nail. How about: Police department arrests a woman for no reason, roughing her up in the process. When she dies in jail from an untreated head injury, they panic and fake her suicide. Then they go back and cut out the parts of the video that show not just violation of procedure but evidence of criminal intent. The autopsy was sloppy: “Plastic bag around her neck. She’s dead. Must be suicide! Next.” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/16 "2015-07-22T12:33:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So we have two possibilities. > > Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason “A woman” happened to be a vocal police misconduct activist that could have publicized the bullshit she’d just went through, sued and/or gotten the arresting officer fired on the spot. So there’s that, if the possibility of “racist cop(s) lynching uppity nigger” just seem too impossible to contemplate. For some reason. This being rural Texas and all. I don’t really see what PTSD has to do with anything. And of course, there’s still the matter of how exactly she got her hands on the garbage bag she purportedly hanged herself with, while in jail and therefore stripped of her possessions. Snuck it up her arse that morning just in case she might need to surreptitiously hang herself at some point, did she ? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/17 "2015-07-22T12:39:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason What would you consider a valid reason to lynch someone? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/18 "2015-07-22T12:45:46Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So we have two possibilities. > > Either the police department conspired to lynch a woman in her cell for no apparent reason and make it look like a suicide, then got IT to delete the video footage, fake the forensic evidence in the autopsy, and then decided to go back and edit the video footage of her arrest, but leave the audio intact, but not leave out the parts where the officer screams at her and threatens her with a Taser in violation of police procedure. > > Or, a depressed woman with PTSD hanged herself in nail. That’s right. But sometimes even the improbable explanation is the truth. It’s worth an honest investigation to see where the facts lie. There is enough cause to justify asking the question if the police did anything wrong. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/19 "2015-07-22T12:55:35Z")
> [@JVDaly](#): > > I don’t know anything about technology but could those seeming edits just be the result of crappy camera gear? Well, you see the same two white cars and one grey car drive away from the camera quite a few times just between 32:00 and 34:30. It’s hard to see how crappy camera gear could make the same cars reappear over and over again. Now the cars going ‘poof’ and disappearing from the middle of the road at 32:38, 33:06, 33:25, 33:55, and 33:59 (those same 3 cars, btw), maybe. But it’s not the way I’d bet. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/20 "2015-07-22T12:56:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > What would you consider a valid reason to lynch someone? This is obvious; if a person breaks the law they deserve everything that happens to them. Remember, it is illegal to disobey a lawful order from a police officer. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=2)