# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/521 "2015-07-23T18:12:26Z")
Asking her to put out her cigarette may or may not have been within his lawful authority. What it was, regardless of that, was a _polite request_. Bland could have chosen to be civil about it and put out her cigarette out of common courtesy to another human being. Instead, she decided that was the hill she wanted to die on. I’m not saying the officer was necessarily justified in escalating after that either - it appears he violated department policy if not necessarily the law. But once again, this is yet another example of why just because you _can_ do something doesn’t mean you _should_. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/522 "2015-07-23T18:13:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > [QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] > …Whether the cop’s orders were legal, let’s set that aside for a second: Excellent post. +1. Completely agree. [/QUOTE] Who are you, and what have you done with the real **Bricker**? Regards, Shodan 😃 ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/523 "2015-07-23T18:18:20Z")
Does anyone disagree that if Sandra had survived she could mount a defense against a resisting arrest charge? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/524 "2015-07-23T18:18:54Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > I don’t think it was out of line to ask her to put out the cigarette since he was leaning into the car to talk to her. Hardly justifies anything else, but can’t quite grasp the outrage that he asked her to put out the smoke. Seems in line with asking people to turn off the stereo, open the car window, etc. He can certainly ASK her to put out her cigarette. Near as I can tell she is under no obligation to do so. But this exchange seems to escalate the whole situation and no one is better off because of it. So maybe the officer would not be under investiagation and the woman would be alive if he didn’t tell her to put out her smoke. Your tolerance for cigarettes may be different than mine but in my view the police officer was wrong to ask and it lead to someone dying. A high price to pay for (legally) smoking. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/525 "2015-07-23T18:23:22Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > So maybe the officer would not be under investiagation and the woman would be alive if he didn’t tell her to put out her smoke. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/526 "2015-07-23T18:23:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Asking her to put out her cigarette may or may not have been within his lawful authority. What it was, regardless of that, was a _polite request_. > > Bland could have chosen to be civil about it and put out her cigarette out of common courtesy to another human being. Instead, she decided that was the hill she wanted to die on. > > I’m not saying the officer was necessarily justified in escalating after that either - it appears he violated department policy if not necessarily the law. But once again, this is yet another example of why just because you _can_ do something doesn’t mean you _should_. We’ve gone over this. She had the right to not stop smoking and expect competent law enforcement too. He arrested her for that. I hope you don’t get stranded on a hill with a lot of adrenaline sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/527 "2015-07-23T18:25:31Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > We’ve gone over this. She had the right to not stop smoking and expect competent law enforcement too. And just because you have the _right_ to do something doesn’t mean it’s a _good idea_ to do that something. I have the _right_ to walk up to a leather-clad Hells Angel and tell him he looks gay. Doing so will likely result in me losing several teeth. In your opinion, was it a good idea for Bland to not put out her cigarette? ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/528 "2015-07-23T18:26:35Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Does anyone disagree that if Sandra had survived she could mount a defense against a resisting arrest charge? Okay **Bricker** , I found it: From Texas code: ``` Sec. 38.03. RESISTING ARREST, SEARCH, OR TRANSPORTATION. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer’s presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another. (b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful. ``` ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/529 "2015-07-23T18:31:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > State laws still vary but on the whole [the right to record police in public is being deemed legal](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/17/yes-you-have-a-right-to-record-the-police/) (inasmuch as every time it has gone to court the right has been uphled near as I can tell). > > Fortunately. > > That said it may well be illegal in some states because the law has not been challenged yet but the trajectory of such laws heading to the bin seems clear. > > Thankfully. Thanks for the link. If a police officer fails to understand that recording police activity is permissible, and he orders you to stop, can you then resist arrest? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/530 "2015-07-23T18:35:29Z")
Now the judge is yapping about the case on Facebook, [claiming she had high levels of marijuana in her system three days after her arrest.](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/07/22/sheriff-bland-told-jailer-about-previous-suicide-attempt/30533701/) This wasn’t noticed during the stop, the arrest, the booking or the three days of incarceration?? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/531 "2015-07-23T18:37:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Now the judge is yapping about the case on Facebook, [claiming she had high levels of marijuana in her system three days after her arrest.](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/07/22/sheriff-bland-told-jailer-about-previous-suicide-attempt/30533701/) This wasn’t noticed during the stop, the arrest, the booking or the three days of incarceration?? [You’re about three thread pages behind,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18541291&postcount=351) and he’s only quoting the toxicology report. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/532 "2015-07-23T18:43:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Now the judge is yapping about the case on Facebook, [claiming she had high levels of marijuana in her system three days after her arrest.](http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2015/07/22/sheriff-bland-told-jailer-about-previous-suicide-attempt/30533701/) This wasn’t noticed during the stop, the arrest, the booking or the three days of incarceration?? What is your evidence that she had high levels of marijuana in her system on the day of her arrest? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/533 "2015-07-23T18:48:45Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > If a police officer fails to understand that recording police activity is permissible, and he orders you to stop, can you then resist arrest? A legal eagle may be needed but as I understand it you can ignore instructions from the police if they are improper. For instance the police cannot order you to punch your friend in the face. That said it is a difficult uphill battle to claim the instructions of a police officer were wrong. Police are given a lot of leeway in pursuit of their job and justifiably so. They have a difficult job and if they tell you to stand back you should stand back rather than arguing about your right to not stand back. In short you can challenge the law and may have a good chance of success but it will be a long, expensive slog. ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/534 "2015-07-23T18:49:23Z")
Here’s are opinions from [an interview Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project](http://www.texasstandard.org/shows/current/10-things-about-the-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-every-texan-should-know/). Clearly just one side of legal opinion, and the side that’s most likely to defend civil rights, but it’s from a TX lawer, about TX law, and presumably within his domain of expertise. The main points, as I see it: [ul] [li] Bland did not have to comply with the request to extinguish her cigarette.[/li][li] The cop is required to give the reason when asking her to get out of the car. (Not probable cause, just a reason.)[/li][li] Bland can refuse to talk other than to identify herself. (Sadly for her, she doesn’t stick to her promise.)[/li][li] The cop can’t legally yank her out of the car, unless she’s presenting a danger.[/li][li] The cop is obliged to state why she’s under arrest.[/li][li] Bland has the right to record it[/li][li] The cop uses excessive force when he threatens her with the taser[/li][/ul] I’m going to take these as givens, until someone provides a counterargument or cites an authoritative legal opinion to the contrary. However, the opinion above does NOT answer the question about whether Bland was legally entitled to ignore the officer’s demand that she exit the vehicle. My wild guess as a layman is that even though his order wasn’t in compliance of TX law, she was still compelled. However, the law quoted way above does say “a LAWFUL order” and if he didn’t meet TX law requirements, was it indeed lawful? (Regardless, it was idiotic of her to resist, IMHO. On the other hand, I can understand why she might be afraid. But I think it was anger ruling her actions, not fear. Pure speculation on my part, and not particularly significant.) ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/535 "2015-07-23T18:50:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > She wasn’t arrested for a benign traffic offense. The officer was going to write a warning citation and let her go. She wasn’t having any of that. Nor was she having any of the officer’s illegal actions. She was being an idiot, but up to the point she refused to exit the car, all her actions were legal. The cop’s were not, and he’s the one who’s supposed to be trained to handle the situation. He deserves the crap that’s landing on him, and other cops should heed this as a warning. > [@Shodan](#): > > AFAICT, the escalation went: > [ul] > [li]Bad driver commits a minor offense[/li][li]Police officer pulls said bad driver over[/li][li]Police officer decides to issue a warning citation[/li][li]Bad driver begins mouthing off[/li][li]Police officer orders her out of the car[/li][li]Bad driver refuses[/li][li]Four times[/li][li]Police officer threatens to Taze her (which is against policy, I believe)[/li][li]Bad driver decides to get out of the car[/li][li]Police officer decides that bad driver needs to be cuffed while he decides how further to proceed[/li][li]Bad driver resists cuffing[/li][li]Bad driver is then arrested, taken to jail, and two days later hangs herself[/li] > [/ul]Seems pretty straightforward to me. Yeah, pretty straightforward if you’re not making any attempt to be unbiased. Here’s mine, and I am trying to be unbiased: [ul] [li]Bad driver commits a minor offense[/li][li]Police officer pulls said bad driver over[/li][li]Police officer decides to issue a warning citation[/li][li]Bad driver begins mouthing off[/li][li]Police officer requests she put out her cig, and she (legally) refuses[/li][li]Police officer gets pissed off[/li][li]Police officer orders her out of the car, without giving a reason as he’s legally required to do, and without having any ostensible reason other than that he’s pissed off[/li][li]Bad driver refuses[/li][li]Four times[/li][li]Police officer threatens to Taze her (clearly inappropriate)[/li][li]Bad driver decides to get out of the car (possibly to avoid being tased in the head, which could be lethal!)[/li][li]Police officer decides that bad driver needs to be cuffed while he decides how further to proceed[/li][li]Bad driver resists cuffing[/li][li]Police officer drags driver outside camera range (possibly for good reason; we don’t really know)[/li][li]Bad driver is then arrested, taken to jail, and two days later is found dead in her cell[/li][/ul]Seems pretty straightforward to me. The cop escalated for petty reasons. He had no business ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/536 "2015-07-23T18:50:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And just because you have the _right_ to do something doesn’t mean it’s a _good idea_ to do that something. I have the _right_ to walk up to a leather-clad Hells Angel and tell him he looks gay. Doing so will likely result in me losing several teeth. > > In your opinion, was it a good idea for Bland to not put out her cigarette? As a request it was reasonable under the circumstances to decline. The encounter was over. But then not a good idea to verbally protest his order to get out of the car. Then when he went physical, she was in sheer disbelief and he got what he wanted: an angry black woman he could throw around. I’d love to know what would’ve happened had she got out and stood there. I think he knew he was in trouble for his judgement and was trying to create a diversion from that, and he did. ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/537 "2015-07-23T18:52:15Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > He used the Cig as an excuse to ask her to get out of the car, another provocation. I think you’re giving the cop too much credit. I don’t think he planned to pull this lady over and hassle her. No, her attitude pissed him off, and he unprofessionally let it get to him and he fouled up. > [@OldOlds](#): > > Am I the only one who doesn’t like either of them in that video? Oh hell no! Count me in. > [@](#): > > She baits him, he takes the bait, spiral downward ensues. It’s not clear who’s baiting who. A clear case of mutual escalation. They both started off civilly, but both were apparently just waiting to be triggered. Probably a bad day for both of them, or else they’re just easily annoyed in general. > [@Bricker](#): > > To review: the putative arrest would be for the crime of an illegal lane change, and probable cause existed for that arrest. As explained previously, Texas law permits such an arrest even when the maximum punishment is a fine. But as I understand it, only on refusal to sign a notice to appear. > [@](#): > > When an officer is planning to make an arrest, the command “Extinguish your cigarette,” is a lawful one for reasons of officer safety, since placing someone in handcuffs while they are carrying a burning ember is self-evidently unsafe. > > Can you explain specifically why you believe the order was illegal? It wasn’t phrased as an order. The order to get out of the car was clearly an order, though, and my guess is that even if the cop didn’t follow all the laws, the driver should still be compelled. After all, we can’t have “sea lawyers” impeding every arrest by citing some (possibly whacky) legal loophole; it’s not practical. But I admit I’m guessing here. The law states “LAWFUL order”, raising the question of whether one that doesn’t follow all the requirements is still lawful. (I’m very interested to hear your opinion on this, Bricker.) > [@Bricker](#): > > When he tells her she’s under arrest, and she refuses to get out of the car, the trooper had probable cause to arrest her for resisting arrest as well. Except it didn’t happen like that. He tells her to get out of the car, and then only after she asks if she’s under arrest, and he threatens to tase her, does he say she is under arrest. Does that matter? > [@Bricker](#): > > The answer is: no. An arrest must rest upon grounds of probable cause, but there is no requirement that the grounds for the arrest be communicated to the arrestee. According to the expert cited above, TX law does require it. > [@](#): > > The remedy to an illegal arrest is not generally resisting that arrest, in other words. And in Texas, specifically, it is no defense to the charge of resisting arrest that the arrest was unlawful. See Texas Penal Code § 38.03(b). Granted, and thanks. But does that apply to the order to get out of the vehicle? ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/538 "2015-07-23T18:53:16Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Texas Penal Code, Title 5, [Chapter 19](http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.19.htm) “Criminal Homicide” > > Emphases mine > > PBS Newshour reports so it has to be true that the officer broke the department’s procedural rules, which means he had no right to go into the car and pull the girl out. This constitutes assault, which is a crime … and now she’s dead. > > As they say in the trade … || I don’t think your conclusion follows. Even if he is convicted of felony assault, that did not lead directly to her death. While it’s true that if he hadn’t, she wouldn’t have died in that cell, but I do not believe it makes him criminally culpable. I remember my mom (a lawyer) explaining how this worked in MI, long ago, and I don’t recall the names of the legal principles, but if death (during a felony) is a reasonably predictable possible outcome, then it’s considered murder. For example, if I rob a bank and threaten you with a fake pistol and you have a heart attack, I’m hosed. But I don’t think a death in a jail cell is reasonably predictable. (Again, I’d appreciate Bricker stating this more accurately.) > [@monstro](#): > > This is NOT a case of both sides being wrong. Only one side was wrong here. It wasn’t Sandra Bland. This is a case of both sides being idiotic. And I do believe Bland was wrong both by law and by common sense to refuse to get out of the car when ordered. Seriously, what advice would you give? But I agree she didn’t deserve to be arrested; the order to get out of the car should never have happened, and the cop is the pro here and the one who’s supposed to be in control of the situation. He failed completely. > [@watchwolf49](#): > > I think this girl handled herself quite admirably … she came across as civil, educated, calm … a symbol of maturity to be held up and honored as an example of how to express one’s self without seeming a total bitch. Really? She seemed like a total bitch to me, pretty much out of control once things went pear-shaped. I’m not saying the cop didn’t deserve it, but that doesn’t make her any exemplar of behavior, not by a long shot! > [@Terr](#): > > [http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/TN/7/C/542/E/542.501](http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/TN/7/C/542/E/542.501) > > A person may not wilfully fail or refuse to comply with a lawful order or direction of: OK, but was it a lawful order just because he says it is? Frankly, one should comply anyway, unless one wants to escalate the situation. But legally? I really don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/539 "2015-07-23T18:56:51Z")
> [@Learjeff](#): > > Nor was she having any of the officer’s illegal actions. She was being an idiot, but up to the point she refused to exit the car, all her actions were legal. The cop’s were not, and he’s the one who’s supposed to be trained to handle the situation. He deserves the crap that’s landing on him, and other cops should heed this as a warning. > > Yeah, pretty straightforward if you’re not making any attempt to be unbiased. Here’s mine, and I am trying to be unbiased: > > [ul] > [li]Bad driver commits a minor offense[/li][li]Police officer pulls said bad driver over[/li][li]Police officer decides to issue a warning citation[/li][li]Bad driver begins mouthing off[/li][li]Police officer requests she put out her cig, and she (legally) refuses[/li][li]Police officer gets pissed off[/li][li]Police officer orders her out of the car, without giving a reason as he’s legally required to do, and without having any ostensible reason other than that he’s pissed off[/li][li]Bad driver refuses[/li][li]Four times[/li][li]Police officer threatens to Taze her (clearly inappropriate)[/li][li]Bad driver decides to get out of the car (possibly to avoid being tased in the head, which could be lethal!)[/li][li]Police officer decides that bad driver needs to be cuffed while he decides how further to proceed[/li][li]Bad driver resists cuffing[/li][li]Police officer drags driver outside camera range (possibly for good reason; we don’t really know)[/li][li]Bad driver is then arrested, taken to jail, and two days later is found dead in her cell[/li][/ul]Seems pretty straightforward to me. The cop escalated for petty reasons. He had no business I know your heart’s in the right place but How bad a driver was she really? Doesn’t he then deserve the epithet “Bad Police Officer”? It would be nice to read this with her described as “taxpayer and citizen” and him as the above. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/540 "2015-07-23T18:59:28Z")
[QUOTE=drad dog] I’d love to know what would’ve happened had she got out and stood there. I think he knew he was in trouble for his judgement and was trying to create a diversion from that, and he did. [/QUOTE] We would never have heard anything about it, of course, since it would have been like the thousands of other traffic stops that happen every day and don’t degenerate into total cluster fucks. She’d have gotten out of the car, he’s have talked to her, maybe given her a ticket instead of a warning, done his best to ensure she knew who was the boss and then everyone would have driven away. At several points during this whole thing it could have gone down that way. She could have been polite and friendly or at least not hostile to the cop initially. She could have put out her cigarette when he requested it. She could have gotten out of the car when he ordered her to. He could not have been such a dick and been in more control of himself from the get go, especially after she started to get annoying. As others have said, it’s his job to handle annoying people in potentially explosive situations, and if he can’t do that properly then he probably shouldn’t be out on the streets with a gun and a badge. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=28)