# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1061 "2015-07-27T00:51:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Cite? Watch the video(s). Hell, you can hear the cuffs being put on off-screen, and then she’s walked back into frame, hands behind her back–cuffed. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1062 "2015-07-27T00:53:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But it passes the test of, “Is it a lane change?” > > It’s very difficult for me to understand on what basis you appear to be floating the idea that a vehicle which moves from one lane to another is not executing a lane change, but I would be very interested in hearing any specific statute or caselaw that supports the position that, technically or otherwise, it isn’t a lane change. Fuck if I know. I’m not a Texas lawyer or cop. That’s why I asked. She moved to the shoulder to let the cop pass, I wasn’t sure if that’s considered a lane change, since the shoulder is not intended for traffic. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1063 "2015-07-27T00:55:09Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Well, in this particular incident, he technically had cause to arrest her for the original violation under the law (though it would violate any sane department policy). And DID violate DPS policy. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1064 "2015-07-27T00:55:35Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > How about: > > Police department arrests a woman for no reason, roughing her up in the process. When she dies in jail from an untreated head injury, they panic and fake her suicide. Then they go back and cut out the parts of the video that show not just violation of procedure but evidence of criminal intent. The autopsy was sloppy: “Plastic bag around her neck. She’s dead. Must be suicide! Next.” Damn it ! I hate to say this but that sound about right . ☹ I would like to know why there was a plastic bag in her cell in the first place, I thought all objects that could easily used to commit suicide were removed from the person like belts shoes laces etc. So what with having plastic bags in a inmates cells ?? When you get stopped for a traffic violation the police write up a ticket or let you off with a warning . I see no reason for being locked up for 3 days . She was to start a new job so why would she kill herself ??? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1065 "2015-07-27T00:59:27Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > If even it was a legal maneuver, she should have still signaled. The point of the signal is to alert other cars of your intended behavior. The information that you’re about to move right is valuable to a car rapidly approaching you from behind. Maybe. But Texas law arguably permits a lane change without signal upon the approach of an emergency vehicle with lights and/or siren. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1066 "2015-07-27T01:02:01Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Fuck if I know. I’m not a Texas lawyer or cop. That’s why I asked. > > She moved to the shoulder to let the cop pass, I wasn’t sure if that’s considered a lane change, since the shoulder is not intended for traffic. Nevermind. I re-watched that part of the video, and saw she did switch from from one lane to another before he put on his lights. I had only watched that part once before, and in my head, I thought it was a one-lane road. It was a two-lane. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1067 "2015-07-27T01:02:32Z")
Encinia: Get off the phone! Bland: (crosstalk) Encinia: Get off the phone! Put your phone down! Bland: I’m not on the phone. I have a right to record. This is my property. Sir? Encinia: Put your phone down right now. Put your phone down! (Bland slams phone down on her trunk.) Huffpost transcript. On her trunk, which is as I remember it. The trunk of the car that is in good view of the dash cam. Then… Encinia: Come over here. Come over here now. Bland: You feelin’ good about yourself? Encinia: Stand right here. Stand right there. He doesn’t want her there, she must be over where he is. Outside of camera range, IIRC. There is a good reason, a concern for traffic safety and security, that she must not stand where she was? She needed to stand over here. Now, for our next thread contest, which of you can come up with a plausible reason why this must be so. (Lets just leave aside, for the moment, why she had to put her phone down, no need to open up a whole 'nother can of case law worms.) Contest will be judged on originality and creativity. Neatness doesn’t count, plausibility does, whether real or imagined. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1068 "2015-07-27T01:04:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Encinia: Get off the phone! > > Bland: (crosstalk) > > Encinia: Get off the phone! Put your phone down! > > Bland: I’m not on the phone. I have a right to record. This is my property. Sir? > > Encinia: Put your phone down right now. Put your phone down! > > (Bland slams phone down on her trunk.) > > Huffpost transcript. > > On her trunk, which is as I remember it. The trunk of the car that is in good view of the dash cam. Then… > > Encinia: Come over here. Come over here now. > > Bland: You feelin’ good about yourself? > > Encinia: Stand right here. Stand right there. > > He doesn’t want her there, she must be over where he is. Outside of camera range, IIRC. > > There is a good reason, a concern for traffic safety and security, that she must not stand where she was? She needed to stand over here. > > Now, for our next thread contest, which of you can come up with a plausible reason why this must be so. (Lets just leave aside, for the moment, why she had to put her phone down, no need to open up a whole 'nother can of case law worms.) > > Contest will be judged on originality and creativity. Neatness doesn’t count, plausibility does, whether real or imagined. It’s cooler under the shade! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1069 "2015-07-27T01:06:11Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Yes, because there is no middle ground as to how much training we can require. :rolleyes: > > In some places, a GED and four weeks training is all you need. Does that make sense? How much “professionalism” do you expect from somebody with a GED and 4 weeks training? I love these threads where the crux of the matter comes down to some fine intepretation of law X that dozens of smart people here, including actual lawyers and professionals, argue about for weeks, have the benefit of hindsite, and STILL can’t agree a to whether some fine line was crossed or not. Yet we expect Joe Schmoe cop who probably spends most of his time dealing with criminals and assholes to do better on the fly. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1070 "2015-07-27T01:08:56Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Cite? Watch the damn [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBh3wzXd3vg). At around 11:48, you can hear him slapping the cuffs around his wrists. At 12:26, he pulls her over to the car for some strange reason and then tells her to “stay right there, stay right there”. Then he radios to someone that he has her under control. Then bizarrely he orders her to “stay right there” while he goes to her car. Instead of barking yet another stupid order at her, why not put her in the patrol car? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1071 "2015-07-27T01:11:58Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Watch the video(s). Hell, you can hear the cuffs being put on off-screen, and then she’s walked back into frame, hands behind her back–cuffed. :rolleyes: I saw the transcript. She is handcuffed, then this: Encinia: Stop now! Stop it! If you would **stop resisting**. Female officer: **Stop resisting ma’am**. Bland: (cries) For a fucking traffic ticket, you are such a pussy. You are such a pussy. Female officer: No, you are. **You should not be fighting**. Encinia: **Get on the ground**! So she was resisting and fighting. Note that there is a second - female officer. From what I have read on this, that was a black female officer. And she is definitely corroborating the “resisting and fighting” part. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1072 "2015-07-27T01:18:43Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Instead of barking yet another stupid order at her, why not put her in the patrol car? I don’t know, because I wasn’t there. And neither were you. What is your law enforcement training, again? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1073 "2015-07-27T01:19:14Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I saw the transcript. She is handcuffed, then this: > > Encinia: Stop now! Stop it! If you would **stop resisting**. > > Female officer: **Stop resisting ma’am**. > > Bland: (cries) For a fucking traffic ticket, you are such a pussy. You are such a pussy. > > Female officer: No, you are. **You should not be fighting**. > > Encinia: **Get on the ground**! > > So she was resisting and fighting. Note that there is a second - female officer. From what I have read on this, that was a black female officer. And she is definitely corroborating the “resisting and fighting” part. So you haven’t watched the video? It’s perfectly clear she was handcuffed rather quickly as soon as he had her step off-camera. This was before backup showed up. Once cuffed, put her in the back of the cruiser. Why knock her to the ground? Really, why? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1074 "2015-07-27T01:20:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I don’t know, because I wasn’t there. And neither were you. What is your law enforcement training, again? Did you not watch the videos either? We may as well have been there, for all it reveals. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1075 "2015-07-27T01:21:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > So she was resisting and fighting. Note that there is a second - female officer. From what I have read on this, that was a black female officer. And she is definitely corroborating the “resisting and fighting” part. … in the next part of the transcript: Encinia: This officer saw everything. **Female officer: I saw everything.** Bland: And (muffled) No you didn’t. You didn’t see everything leading up to it … Female officer: I’m not talking to you. Bland: You don’t have to. Encinia: 2547 county. Send me a first-available, for arrest. Female officer: You okay? You should have Tess check your hand. Encinia: Yeah, I’m good. \*\*Encinia: She started yanking away and then she kicked me, so I took her straight to the ground. \*\* Female officer: And there you got it right there… I’ll search it for you if you want. Female officer: Yeah. Someone wanted the explanation of why Bland was on the ground? There it is. Witnessed by another police officer. A black female police officer. Guess you don’t trust her either. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1076 "2015-07-27T01:22:18Z")
I don’t trust any police officers involved with this case. Doesn’t matter what their race or gender is. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1077 "2015-07-27T01:24:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > His actions were within the letter of the law. Whether I “admire” them or not is not relevant. But not within department policy. Nor common sense. So either you’re ostensibly a) incapable of forming your own opinion here, or b) avoiding an admission, one way or the other, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1078 "2015-07-27T01:26:14Z")
It’s amazing how different the officer remembered what happened. > [@](#): > > Encinia (apparently to a supervisor): I tried to de-escalate her. It wasn’t getting anywhere, at all. I mean I tried to put the Taser away. I tried talking to her and calming her down, and that was not working. > > Well, I know, that was when she was in custody, and now I tried to get her detained and get her to just calm down and just calm down. Stop throwing her arms. You know what? She never swung at me, just flailing and stomping around. I said alright that’s enough, and that’s when I detained her. > > There was something going on and she started kicking and kicking. > > Yeah, and once I got her in the back of the car, that’s why I’m calling you now, because … > > No, we were in the middle of a traffic stop and the traffic stop was not completed. I was just trying to get her out, over to the side and just explain to her what was going on because I couldn’t even get her to do what I was telling her. She just started going this is an mf, and you give mf for a ticket and lane change, she just started going. > > I just stepped back from the car and was like are you done ma’am? I need to tell you why and what I’m giving you and she just kept on going. [The Transcript Of Sandra Bland's Arrest Is As Revealing As The Video | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandra-bland-arrest-transcript_55b03a88e4b0a9b94853b1f1) That isn’t what the video shows. Is it? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1079 "2015-07-27T01:26:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > 545.156 requires at least a siren, or lights and siren, or lights only. > > Those were not in use, so 545.156 does not apply. > > Do you agree? No I don’t especially when The code gives the cop broad discretion > [@](#): > > But other sections of the Texas code say that the police can ignore these and most other traffic laws when they need to. They’re supposed to use lights, or at least a siren, when they do, per Section 546.003, but even then they are given broad discretion to not use them. Section 546.004 essentially gives them discretionary carte blanche to do so. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1080 "2015-07-27T01:27:03Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > How much “professionalism” do you expect from somebody with a GED and 4 weeks training? I thought that was my point. He violated department protocol for professional behavior; can we at least expect that he follows his department directives? What are you suggesting? Should we just accept that the cops are witless goons with guns and authority because that’s all we can afford, and everyone should suck up any unprofessional behavior, or we are responsible for anything that goes wrong? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=55)