# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1681 "2015-08-04T18:09:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > According to your link, the family is still asserting that Bland was murdered in her cell, a claim which even the most rabid anti-police posters in this thread abandoned several dozen pages ago. Do you think they have a chance of proving that assertion in a court of law? Why haven’t they released the evidence from their independent autopsy that would prove it? I couildn’t get the link above to work. But I found a USA today story about Bland’s family suing > **[Sandra Bland's family files federal lawsuit](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/sandra-bland-family-federal-lawsuit/31094357/)** > > Authorities say Sandra Bland committed suicide in her jail cell; her family disputes that. This article doesn’t mention anything about murder. Can you link to the article where Bland’s family says Sandra Bland was murdered? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1682 "2015-08-04T18:14:24Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Lane changes that do not affect anything or anyone? What happened to “no harm no foul”? So your argument is that we should have laws requiring you to use your turn signal, but it should only be enforced some of the time. > [@](#): > > He was not doing his job. Should’ve been out looking for crimes Moving violations _are_ crimes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1683 "2015-08-04T18:28:51Z")
As are littering, jaywalking, and lurking with intent to loom. As are murder, arson, running amok. Are you suggesting that these are all the same, all being “crimes”? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1684 "2015-08-04T18:32:24Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > I couildn’t get the link above to work. > But I found a USA today story about Bland’s family suing > [Sandra Bland's family files federal lawsuit](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/sandra-bland-family-federal-lawsuit/31094357/) > > This article doesn’t mention anything about murder. > > Can you link to the article where Bland’s family says Sandra Bland was murdered? It’s in the same article. > [@](#): > > Bland’s family does not believe she committed suicide… [Cite](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/sandra-bland-family-federal-lawsuit/31094357/?AID=10709313&PID=3865083&SID=icxok0p2qw0004p600dth). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1685 "2015-08-04T18:32:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As are littering, jaywalking, and lurking with intent to loom. As are murder, arson, running amok. Are you suggesting that these are all the same, all being “crimes”? I am suggesting that if you only want a certain behavior to be addressed as a criminal matter under certain circumstances, then the legislation should be rewritten to add the “but you can turn without signaling if there’s nobody else around” clause. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1686 "2015-08-04T18:37:32Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > OK, why are we even bothering to dissect every nuance in their conversation when every word of it is completely irrelevant? Every. Fucking. Word. > > Was anyone paying attention the day the Supremes upheld the ACA and same-sex marriage, to another landmark ruling they handed down? > > Rodriguez v United States No. 13-9972 > > “A police stop exceeding the time needed to handle the matter for which the stop was made violates the Constitution’s shield against unreasonable seizures.” > > Everything that cop did or asked her to do after issuing her that ticket was an unconstitutional violation of her civil rights. Period. That’s legally and factually incorrect, Shayna, and the Rodriguez decision has been discussed at some length in this thread, with the reasons that Rodriguez does not apply being spelled out quite clearly. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1687 "2015-08-04T18:40:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > In Texas? What DA will commit political _sudoku_ and move for indictment? What grand jury will comply? What jury will unanimously convict? There is no requirement for a grand jury. This is a civil case. And I don’t even know if jury unanimity is required in Texas for civil judgments. It might be, but it’s possible to allow civil judgments on majority jury votes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1688 "2015-08-04T20:31:53Z")
The previous post ends with the words “…preferably in jail”. Now, I’m just a dumb ol’ peckerwood from Waco, but I’m pretty sure incarceration requires a criminal conviction. Hence, my comment on the improbability of such a conviction. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1689 "2015-08-04T20:57:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So your argument is that we should have laws requiring you to use your turn signal, but it should only be enforced some of the time. > > Moving violations _are_ crimes. Your first statement does not need arguing. It is the case. Do you agree? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1690 "2015-08-04T21:02:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What, pray tell, is your point? Are you saying that using turn signals should be optional? Or that we should have laws requiring you to use your turn signal, but that the police shouldn’t be allowed to enforce them? It’s a crime but not one worthy of the death penalty or even arrest. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1691 "2015-08-04T21:20:34Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > It’s a crime but not one worthy of the death penalty Great! No states are even contemplating the death penalty for a traffic violation. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1692 "2015-08-04T21:54:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > … What are these other allegations, not all of which involved racial issues, that the reporter chose not to mention? As in several previous posts, you assert that the other allegations were known to the reporter. You then assert that the reporter, knowing the content and/or nature of the other allegations, made a choice to refrain from reporting them. What is your basis for asserting these claims? What actual facts serve as supportive evidence for your assumptions that the reporter knew the nature of the other allegations? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1693 "2015-08-04T21:59:00Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Great! No states are even contemplating the death penalty for a traffic violation. de jure - no. de facto - apparently in Texas. Could be worse, New York has the death penalty for only being **suspected** for selling untaxed cigarettes. At least in Texas you actually have to break the law by not signalling. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1694 "2015-08-04T22:11:31Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > de jure - no. de facto - apparently in Texas. > Could be worse, New York has the death penalty for only being **suspected** for selling untaxed cigarettes. At least in Texas you actually have to break the law by not signalling. Your post is b.s. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1695 "2015-08-04T22:35:31Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Your post is b.s. Well I’m sure that’s a relief for Sandra Bland and Eric Garner. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1696 "2015-08-04T22:50:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s in the same article. > [Cite](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/sandra-bland-family-federal-lawsuit/31094357/?AID=10709313&PID=3865083&SID=icxok0p2qw0004p600dth). > > Regards, > Shodan That doesn’t necessarily mean “murdered.” Could be they believe it was neglect of her condition or some accident that they tried to coverup making it look like suicide. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1697 "2015-08-05T02:26:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The previous post ends with the words “…preferably in jail”. Now, I’m just a dumb ol’ peckerwood from Waco, but I’m pretty sure incarceration requires a criminal conviction. Hence, my comment on the improbability of such a conviction. Well, I agree that the post to which you replied is not a model of clarity. Still: > [@Andiethewestie](#): > > IMPORTANT UPDATE Sandra’s family is filing a wrongful death suit against the dickwad and the county sheriff’s office. > > [Sandra Bland's family files federal lawsuit](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/04/sandra-bland-family-federal-lawsuit/31094357/) > > I for one hope this poor woman gets some justice and the law is reviewed to keep fucking racial predators like Encina out of law enforcement and preferably behind bars > [@elucidator](#): > > In Texas? What DA will commit political _sudoku_ and move for indictment? What grand jury will comply? What jury will unanimously convict? There are some mixed concepts in **Andiethewestie** ’s post. The post begins with an update concerning a civil suit, and ends with a hope about imprisonment following a “review” of the law. This could mean, _inter alia_, confusion between the civil and criminal process, or it could mean a hope that the legislature reviews and modifies the law to create a criminal offense that applies to Encinia’s conduct. But your response doesn’t help clear up the confusion. Are you suggesting that even if the law criminalized Encinia’s conduct, a conviction would not be likely? Or are you suggesting that the law already criminalizes his conduct? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1698 "2015-08-05T03:03:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, I agree that the post to which you replied is not a model of clarity. > > Still: > > There are some mixed concepts in **Andiethewestie** ’s post. The post begins with an update concerning a civil suit, and ends with a hope about imprisonment following a “review” of the law. This could mean, _inter alia_, confusion between the civil and criminal process, or it could mean a hope that the legislature reviews and modifies the law to create a criminal offense that applies to Encinia’s conduct. > > But your response doesn’t help clear up the confusion. Are you suggesting that even if the law criminalized Encinia’s conduct, a conviction would not be likely? Or are you suggesting that the law already criminalizes his conduct? The Bland Family Lawyer can answer this [Family of Sandra Bland sues arresting officer](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/family-sandra-bland-sues-arresting-officer?cid=sm_tw_lastword) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1699 "2015-08-05T03:06:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, I agree that the post to which you replied is not a model of clarity…Or are you suggesting that the law already criminalizes his conduct? You mean, specifically? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1700 "2015-08-05T03:53:09Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > The Bland Family Lawyer can answer this > [Family of Sandra Bland sues arresting officer](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/family-sandra-bland-sues-arresting-officer?cid=sm_tw_lastword) The lawyer’s comments don’t answer any of the questions posed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=86)