# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1821 "2015-08-19T14:14:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > To whom are you referring with the “usual”…anyone in this thread? > > Granted, it’s a long thread. And it contains a lot of people arguing, often with great intensity. > > But have any of them posted that the arresting officer “must have murdered her”…? > > If not, to what are you referring with your claim that statements to that effect are “usual”? (Underline added to draw attention to the fact that you hadn’t searched.) > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Your reply was non-responsive, in that it was a directive for me to “search this thread.” (See the reply quoted just below.) As I was not the one who had made a claim about what was “usual” for people to post, it is not up to me to provide evidence of the claim. It’s your claim; it’s up to you to support it. > > In the same post you seem to be confused, stating both that those who make the “usual” remarks reside only on dailykos, and that they are to be found in “this thread.” ??? > > …So doorhinge’s claim that it’s “usual” for posters here to claim that the arresting officer murdered Bland would appear to remain short on supportive evidence. (post shortened) People on the internet have been accusing the sheriff and jail staff of murdering Bland. That’s a fact. You can search this thread, which includes the linked articles, or you can ask someone else to do your homework. Maybe someone will accomodate you. I never made the claim that it’s “usual” for posters here to claim that the arresting officer murdered Bland. That’s your claim/interretation. I did say, “It’s not difficult to search this thread”. It’s your choice if you chose to not to. Your “hypothetical” posts are your hypothetical posts. Please feel free to make you own statements as often as you wish. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1822 "2015-08-19T16:18:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > **cmyk** , meet **drad dog**. OK you got your little prick. What’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1823 "2015-08-19T16:27:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > **cmyk** , meet **drad dog**. Nice try, but it was **Terr** who was the one to suggest we “stick to the law” for the entire discussion. > [@Terr](#): > > As long as you promise to “stick to the law” in further discussions, sure. **drad dog** never promised. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1824 "2015-08-19T17:20:21Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Nice try, but it was **Terr** who was the one to suggest we “stick to the law” for the entire discussion. > > **drad dog** never promised. HAHAHAHA. That’s a hoot. This thread is easier to follow if you read the posts in order. It seems to me that post #1808 comes before post #1809. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1825 "2015-08-19T17:59:01Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > HAHAHAHA. That’s a hoot. This thread is easier to follow if you read the posts in order. > > It seems to me that post #1808 comes before post #1809. Per myself: OK lets stick to the law **here** : **The state was responsible for her care when in their custody. The family wasn’t.** I was being specific, and trying to bring us in the direction of consistency. I remind you also though that “A foolish consistency (petty and small) is the hobgoblin of little minds” ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1826 "2015-08-19T18:15:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > HAHAHAHA. That’s a hoot. This thread is easier to follow if you read the posts in order. > > It seems to me that post #1808 comes before post #1809. Before you laugh yourself to death, try reading for comprehension. Once again, I’ll try to use small words: Drad dog suggested it for his one point. Terr said only if we stick to the law for the entire discussion. No one ever agreed to that. So it’s a bogus derailment. Next, we’ll learn our ABCs… ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1827 "2015-08-19T20:16:11Z")
CMYK: You realize that as soon as there is no obfuscatory haze left in the air some of our dear friends will abandon the thread. You heard the prediction here first. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1828 "2015-08-19T20:19:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > To whom are you referring with the “usual”…anyone in this thread? > Granted, it’s a long thread. And it contains a lot of people arguing, often with great intensity. > But have any of them posted that the arresting officer “must have murdered her”…? > If not, to what are you referring with your claim that statements to that effect are “usual”? > [@doorhinge](#): > > (Underline added to draw attention to the fact that you hadn’t searched.) What you appear to be having difficulty in understanding is that it’s the _person who makes the claim who has the obligation to “search”_ for support for that claim. _Challengers_ of that claim have no obligation whatsoever to search. The obligation rests squarely on the claimant (you, in this case). > [@doorhinge](#): > > People on the internet have been accusing the sheriff and jail staff of murdering Bland. That’s a fact. > You can search this thread, which includes the linked articles, or you can ask someone else to do your homework. Maybe someone will accomodate you. Again, the homework is _yours_ to do. We await your search results. > [@doorhinge](#): > > I never made the claim that it’s “usual” for posters here to claim that the arresting officer murdered Bland. That’s your claim/interretation. I assume that by “interretation” you probably meant “interpretation.” In any case, the bit in blue is easily refuted by your own post (#1778): > [@doorhinge](#): > > Just to clarify, are you saying you don’t understand why I include the Bland family’s actions in a thread concerning Bland’s arrest and subsequent personal choice of suicide or do you simply object to someone discussing any possible reason for Bland’s that do not include the usual condemnation/lie that the sheriff who arrested Bland must have murdered her? It’s difficult to construe your “do you simply object to someone discussing” as anything _other_ than a reference to this thread. You were addressing cmyk, who had posted: > [@](#): > > I don’t see why doorhinge is jumping around all this rhetoric about her family, when he’s already made his opinion clear that her suicide is no one’s fault but her own. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18602096#post18602096](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18602096#post18602096) You replied to cmyk as quoted above. If you were asking “do you simply object to someone discussing” in reference to discussions somewhere _other than this thread_, why didn’t you name that venue? And what _was_ that other venue? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1829 "2015-08-19T21:34:23Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > CMYK: You realize that as soon as there is no obfuscatory haze left in the air some of our dear friends will abandon the thread. You heard the prediction here first. _Thaaat’s_ what that haze is. I just thought someone farted. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1830 "2015-08-19T21:50:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > What you appear to be having difficulty in understanding is that it’s the _person who makes the claim who has the obligation to “search”_ for support for that claim. Shouldn’t the people who claimed that Bland was murdered have the obligation to support that claim, in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1831 "2015-08-19T22:56:15Z")
Indeed, and they deserve a jolly good Pitting. Luckily, we have a special place for that, and this isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1832 "2015-08-20T00:14:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Indeed, and they deserve a jolly good Pitting. Luckily, we have a special place for that, and this isn’t it. Congratulations on becoming a mod! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1833 "2015-08-20T00:27:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Congratulations on becoming a mod! Suggesting that something needs a good Pitting, and that perhaps the Pit is the place for said Pitting, is Junior Modding now? That’s…creative thinking. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1834 "2015-08-20T00:30:26Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Suggesting that something needs a good Pitting, and that perhaps the Pit is the place for said Pitting, is Junior Modding now? Telling other people where to post isn’t? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1835 "2015-08-20T00:35:41Z")
:shrug: I don’t think he did that. But as I understand the board rules, this might be a discussion for ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1836 "2015-08-20T00:49:46Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Suggesting that something needs a good Pitting, and that perhaps the Pit is the place for said Pitting, is Junior Modding now? That’s…creative thinking. > [@andros](#): > > :shrug: I don’t think he did that. > > But as I understand the board rules, this might be a discussion for ATMB. It indeed might be creative thinking. Off to Cafe Society… ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1837 "2015-08-20T01:29:21Z")
> [@andros](#): > > But as I understand the board rules, this might be a discussion for ATMB. Done. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18616032#post18616032](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18616032#post18616032) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1838 "2015-08-20T02:13:01Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Done. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18616032#post18616032](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18616032#post18616032) Well that settles it… BLAND WAS MURDERED!!! ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1839 "2015-08-20T02:40:54Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Well that settles it… BLAND WAS MURDERED!!! It could have been worse: She might have been suggested to post somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1840 "2015-08-20T14:52:25Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Per myself: > > OK lets stick to the law **here** : **The state was responsible for her care when in their custody. The family wasn’t.** > > I was being specific, and trying to bring us in the direction of consistency. > > I remind you also though that “A foolish consistency (petty and small) is the hobgoblin of little minds” I agree that the state is responsible for Sandra Bland’s care when in state custody. I’m also in favor of an official investigation into the matter. I reject the lynch-mob mentality of those who immediately condemned the police for murdering Sandra Bland. And I bow to your experience creating hobgoblins. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=93)