# Sandra Bland video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859 "2015-07-22T05:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1881 "2015-08-28T18:30:14Z")
I had quite forgotten your spotless record in that regard. Truly, you are a beacon to us all. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1882 "2015-08-28T19:00:23Z")
Should I start a new thread … don’t know. The Guardian is reporting: [Young black man jailed since April for alleged $5 theft found dead in cell](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/28/jamycheal-mitchell-virginia-jail-found-dead) > [@](#): > > Jamycheal Mitchell, 24, had been held in Virginia jail without bail for nearly four months, accused of stealing a Mountain Dew, Snickers bar and a Zebra Cake 4 months without bail - that sounds like your US $tax working well. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1883 "2015-08-28T19:24:06Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Should I start a new thread … don’t know. The Guardian is reporting: > > [Young black man jailed since April for alleged $5 theft found dead in cell](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/28/jamycheal-mitchell-virginia-jail-found-dead) > > > [@](#): > > > > Jamycheal Mitchell, 24, had been held in Virginia jail without bail for nearly four months, accused of stealing a Mountain Dew, Snickers bar and a Zebra Cake > > 4 months without bail - that sounds like your US $tax working well. Just goes to show: Cigarettes and junk food are bad for your health. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1884 "2015-08-28T19:44:04Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Should I start a new thread … don’t know. The Guardian is reporting: > > 4 months without bail - that sounds like your US $tax working well. Did he know Sandra Bland? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1885 "2015-08-28T20:21:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Did he know Sandra Bland? 😕 If you haven’t quite twigged after 38 pages, this thread is about what happened to Bland, not Bland the person. It happened in custody, in the absence of bail, she was black. Let me know if you need more dots joined up. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1886 "2015-08-28T20:36:55Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > If you haven’t quite twigged after 38 pages, this thread is about what happened to Bland, not Bland the person. > > It happened in custody, in the absence of bail, she was black. Let me know if you need more dots joined up. Not Bland the person? That doesn’t make any sense. 😕 FYI - There is an omnibus thread about controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians. just sayin’ ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1887 "2015-08-28T20:53:05Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > If you haven’t quite twigged after 38 pages, this thread is about what happened to Bland, not Bland the person. > > It happened in custody, in the absence of bail, she was black. Let me know if you need more dots joined up. I’d say start a new thread. There are a lot of unanswered questions in this case, and it will get lost in the omnibus thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1888 "2015-08-29T13:29:54Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I had quite forgotten your spotless record in that regard. Truly, you are a beacon to us all. I don’t know how. I remind you often enough. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1889 "2015-08-30T01:32:03Z")
Well played, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1890 "2015-12-22T17:25:55Z")
[The grand jury has found no cause to indict any of the jail staff in connection to Bland’s death.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/us/grand-jury-finds-no-felony-committed-by-jailers-in-death-of-sandra-bland.html?_r=1) This will doubtless do nothing to assuage the truthers who insist there was some vast conspiracy to murder Bland, but it’s clear the right decision was made. There are still other questions pending before the grand jury, so it’s possible that someone might face charges for failing to check on her hourly as the law requires. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1891 "2016-01-07T04:07:30Z")
> [@](#): > > The state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland, the 28-year-old African-American woman who was found dead three days later in her Waller County jail cell, has been indicted on perjury charges, a special prosecutor said. > > Hours after the decision was announced, the Texas Department of Public Safety said it was initiating termination proceedings against Brian Encinia, the 30-year-old trooper who last July stopped Bland for failing to signal a lane change and arrested her. > > The announcement came late Wednesday afternoon at the courthouse in Hempstead, about 50 miles northwest of Houston, during the grand jury’s fourth meeting since it was convened this fall to deliberate the circumstances around Bland’s arrest and incarceration. [http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Grand-jury-to-meet-today-to-hear-more-details-6740043.php](http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Grand-jury-to-meet-today-to-hear-more-details-6740043.php) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1892 "2016-01-07T08:54:17Z")
> [@](#): > > The grand jury had picked out the officer’s affidavit as behind their decision, said special prosecutor Shawn McDonald. > > In that affidavit, Mr Encinia had claimed that Ms Bland was “combative and uncooperative” after he pulled her over. > > The argument began after she was asked to put out her cigarette and he demanded she get out of her car. > > Video footage showed the police officer drawing his stun gun and threatening Ms Bland with the words: “I will light you up!” > > After the argument moved off-camera, she was heard screaming that he was about to break her wrists and she complained that her head knocked against the ground. > > Mr McDonald said grand jurors found Mr Encinia’s statement that he had “removed her from her vehicle to further conduct a safer traffic investigation” to be false. > **[Sandra Bland police officer charged with perjury](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35248428)** > > A Texas police officer is charged with perjury over his confrontation with a woman who died in jail shortly after being arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1893 "2016-01-07T13:16:38Z")
I can see firing him for using the Taser, but perjury seems like a bit of a stretch. According to the [Model Penal Code](http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/perjury), the elements of perjury are > [@](#): > > (1) a false statement is made under oath or equivalent affirmation during a judicial proceeding; > (2) the statement must be material or relevant to the proceeding; and > (3) the witness must have the Specific Intent to deceive. Would the prosecution need to show somehow that Encinia _didn’t_ intend to conduct a safer traffic investigation? How would they show what he really intended? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1894 "2016-01-07T13:22:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I can see firing him for using the Taser, but perjury seems like a bit of a stretch. > > According to the [Model Penal Code](http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/perjury), the elements of perjury are > Would the prosecution need to show somehow that Encinia _didn’t_ intend to conduct a safer traffic investigation? How would they show what he really intended? > > Regards, > Shodan Wouldn’t his actions immediately following provide some insight into his intentions? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1895 "2016-01-07T13:54:10Z")
They could. The burden would be on the prosecution to show that arresting her, Tasing her when she resisted and handcuffing her, showed somehow that he did not intend to conduct a safer traffic investigation. Also, that saying he ordered her out of the car and to put out her cigarette for that reason instead of whatever they can prove he really intended, is material to the investigation. I read the article, but I didn’t see any indication of what the prosecution is going to allege was his real motivation. Is it racism? That too seems a bit of a stretch. No doubt the grand jury heard things that aren’t in the public press, but it appears at first blush that a conviction will be an uphill battle. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1896 "2016-01-07T14:06:41Z")
Well he had already written up her warning when he ordered Bland out of the car. What further investigating was going to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1897 "2016-01-07T14:11:23Z")
Find out if she appeared drunk or high. (Apparently she was high, as it turns out.) Or see how she reacts to the standard lecture. I think we have thrashed out the fact that the traffic stop isn’t over the instant the cop writes up the citation, and that the order to get out of the car was legal. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1898 "2016-01-07T14:20:12Z")
I never heard anything about her being high. Asking her iut of the car to investigate how she reacts to his standard lecture? Oooookay. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1899 "2016-01-07T14:25:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I never heard anything about her being high. [She had THC in her system when she died.](http://marijuanapolitics.com/sandra-bland-like-1-in-5-her-age-had-marijuana-in-her-system/) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859/1900 "2016-01-07T14:44:06Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Asking her iut of the car to investigate how she reacts to his standard lecture? Oooookay. No, ordering her out of the car is in response to how she reacts to his standard lecture. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sandra-bland-video/725859.md?page=96)