# Santorum is a shithead. Sun also rises in east. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2006, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291 "2006-05-26T05:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/1 "2006-05-26T05:18:56Z")
Much as I don’t care for the Casey clan, I’ve got to vote for anyone over Santorum this fall. Can I write in a Big Spotted Dog? [Trespassing, my ass!](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=175x10173) The issue has been raised time and again that Senator Buttmunch doesn’t reside in PA, and only maintains a token (empty) residence in Penn Hills. OOH! Those evil nasty sons-of-bitches trespassing on my empty property in an effort to establish that I’m the lying sack-of-shit that I am. How dare they? :wally This Republican is offended by your egregious conduct and skirting of the law by living in VA while claiming to represent PA. You! Outta my party! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Crandolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@Crandolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crandolph)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/2 "2006-05-26T05:45:12Z")
The Greens, Libertarians and Constitution Party should all have candidates on the ballot. I also find our two “major brand” choices completely unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/3 "2006-05-26T05:45:32Z")
Who are you? And what did you do with **danceswithcats**? 🙂 Stuff like this shows that Santorum deserves for all eternity the slang created for him a while ago. (Just do a google search for his name, first link explains what I’m saying) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/4 "2006-05-26T11:55:05Z")
I laud your open eyes regarding Santorum. Don’t forget that he was one of the [Gang of Seven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Seven) who were arguably key to laying the foundation for the current Republican party. Don’t forget that he has also taken our (Pennsylvanians’) money to school his children, despite in reality being Virginians. Further recall that he has been benefitting financially from his relationships with businesses, his half a million dollar mortgage deal, and his shady charity, Operation Good Neighbor, among a host of other dubious qualities and traits. [http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/13922215.htm](http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/13922215.htm) Now, why is it that you can’t vote for Bob Casey? ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/5 "2006-05-26T12:39:33Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Don’t forget that he has also taken our (Pennsylvanians’) money to school his children, despite in reality being Virginians. [/QUOTE] I thought he only took Penn Hills’ money, did he also get state money? Either way it’s ridiculous. [This article](http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/9275617/detail.html) states that Santorum made Doug Walgren’s residency an issue in 1990: > [@](#): > > In 1990, Santorum unseated Rep. Doug Walgren, attacking on the issue of where Walgren lived. > > “And I’ve talked to his neighbors. His parents live there. He does not live there,” Santorum said at the time. > > Walgren lost to Santorum in an upset. > > At the time, Santorum didn’t anticipate owning the home in Virginia he also has now. > > “Will I have a home in the Washington area? Probably not. I’ll probably have some sort of apartment or something that I’ll stay in down there. We’re going to keep our home in Mount Lebanon. We’re going to raise our family here. We’re going to live here in this community,” Santorum said in 1990. I know it’s not a stretch to accuse any politician of hypocricy, but damn, that some heavy duty hypocricy. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/6 "2006-05-26T12:44:22Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I laud your open eyes regarding Santorum. Don’t forget that he was one of the [Gang of Seven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Seven) who were arguably key to laying the foundation for the current Republican party. Don’t forget that he has also taken our (Pennsylvanians’) money to school his children, despite in reality being Virginians. Further recall that he has been benefitting financially from his relationships with businesses, his half a million dollar mortgage deal, and his shady charity, Operation Good Neighbor, among a host of other dubious qualities and traits. [http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/13922215.htm](http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/13922215.htm) Now, why is it that you can’t vote for Bob Casey? [/QUOTE] I am far from a Santorum fan and would love to see him gone. Part of the problem is corruption in both parties. I agree with a previous poster that we need to try and support a third party or at least pay attention and keep throwing our leaders out of office if they can’t keep their greedy fucking fingers out of the cookie jar once they get there. It pisses me off that members of either party will turn a blind eye to blatant greed and dishonesty within their own party and just see it as “politics” ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/7 "2006-05-26T12:45:45Z")
OK, Lord please forgive me for defending Rick-fucking-Santorum, but what’s wrong with senators living where they work? When Senate’s in session, he has to be here pretty much nonstop, and maybe he doesn’t want to be separated from his family. Now, if he doesn’t have any real _interest_ in PA, not coming round and talking to folks, has no real ties there at all, and got his job by precinct-shopping, etc., then sure, his PA credentials deserve criticism. Is there more to it than him simply not occupying his house in PA? Was it a sham in the first place, or something? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/8 "2006-05-26T13:04:33Z")
[QUOTE=An Arky] OK, Lord please forgive me for defending Rick-fucking-Santorum, but what’s wrong with senators living where they work? [/QUOTE] Nothing. However, he shouldn’t be getting tax credits for tuition that is meant to support schools in PENNSYLVANIA when his kids don’t even go to school there. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/9 "2006-05-26T13:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Nothing. However, he shouldn’t be getting tax credits for tuition that is meant to support schools in PENNSYLVANIA when his kids don’t even go to school there. [/QUOTE] Is this same deal available to anyone who has a legal residence in Pennsylvania but a physical residence elsewhere? Or is this something unique to the Santorums? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/10 "2006-05-26T13:43:38Z")
[QUOTE=LateComer] I know it’s not a stretch to accuse any politician of hypocricy, but damn, that some heavy duty hypocricy. [/QUOTE] Nah, when **you** do it, it’s hypocricy. When **I** do it, it’s reacting to changing situations. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/11 "2006-05-26T14:07:16Z")
[QUOTE=LateComer] I thought he only took Penn Hills’ money, did he also get state money? Either way it’s ridiculous. [/QUOTE] You’re probably right that it all comes from the local school district, so it’s likely to be entirely or nearly entirely local money. Here’s a timely [editorial from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06146/693291-192.stm) today: > [@](#): > > Before every election, the Post-Gazette routinely sends letters to the candidates seeking material for the Voters Guide. […]Back from Penn Hills came the letter [to Santorum] with a sticker from the U.S. Postal Service checked as “Not Deliverable As Addressed – Unable To Forward.” > > […]A radio ad for Sen. Santorum flagrantly distorts [a KDKA-TV report], suggesting that “operatives” for the Casey campaign had trespassed on the Santorum property. (It also sneeringly calls Mr. Casey “Bobby” – as if the Democrat wore short pants.) > > […]The KDKA report merely quoted Mr. Vecchio as saying the house was vacant, with no curtains or furniture. But you wouldn’t have to be a trespasser to find that out; you could ask neighbors – or the local mail carrier. After all, the senator’s absence is not in serious dispute because _he doesn’t live here anymore_. > > […]In a letter to Mr. Casey, [Santorum] speaks of his “outrage” regarding the actions of the Casey campaign “which have put our six young children at a serious safety risk.” > > Though that suggestion is far-fetched to the point of absurdity, it would be a potential source of fear only if the senator actually lived in Penn Hills, but – let us repeat one last time – the Santorum family is at no risk because _he doesn’t live here anymore_ and the family is in Virginia most of the time. P. Rick Santorum is a vile and worthless piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/12 "2006-05-26T15:18:42Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] P. Rick Santorum is a vile and worthless piece of shit. [/QUOTE] Don’t forget frothy. He’s a worthless piece of \*frothy \* shit. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/13 "2006-05-26T15:56:46Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Is this same deal available to anyone who has a legal residence in Pennsylvania but a physical residence elsewhere? Or is this something unique to the Santorums? [/QUOTE] One would hope that a Senator would seek to uphold the spirit and not just the letter of the law. Does his use of these funds counter the spirit of this “tax credit” situation? I ask this sincerely, as I do not know the specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/14 "2006-05-26T17:10:15Z")
Don’t most Senators and reps live in or near DC? That’s where they work, after all. I agree the trespass and peeping allegations were pretty silly. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/15 "2006-05-26T17:15:32Z")
Except for the ones from the area, they all have at least crash pads if not houses in the DC area - they obviously have to. But they do come home pretty regularly. The OP story is that Ol’ Frothy’s house looks like he _doesn’t_. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/16 "2006-05-26T17:24:25Z")
[QUOTE=whole bean] One would hope that a Senator would seek to uphold the spirit and not just the letter of the law. Does his use of these funds counter the spirit of this “tax credit” situation? I ask this sincerely, as I do not know the specifics. [/QUOTE] The spirit of the law is that members of Congress are entitled to be treated as residents of their home state and district. They have a job that requires them to maintain two residences. Any argument that starts out, “He really lives in DC, not here,” is a non-starter in my book. Now, I am open to, “He really lives in District 3, but has a mailbox in District 5,” or “He really lives in Wisconsin, but has an empty house in Texas,” arguments. But excoriating a senator for acting like he lives in his home state when he has another residence in the DC area is not fair. It’s not right to ask a man to live apart from his family when Congres is in session; it’s not right to ask him to give up his residency in the state he represents while he is engaged in representing that state. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/17 "2006-05-26T17:27:01Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] The spirit of the law is that members of Congress are entitled to be treated as residents of their home state and district. They have a job that requires them to maintain two residences. Any argument that starts out, “He really lives in DC, not here,” is a non-starter in my book. Now, I am open to, “He really lives in District 3, but has a mailbox in District 5,” or “He really lives in Wisconsin, but has an empty house in Texas,” arguments. But excoriating a senator for acting like he lives in his home state when he has another residence in the DC area is not fair. It’s not right to ask a man to live apart from his family when Congres is in session; it’s not right to ask him to give up his residency in the state he represents while he is engaged in representing that state. [/QUOTE] Then he shouldn’t be expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for his kids’ school tuition, goddammit. And it’s not like he can’t afford it. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/18 "2006-05-26T17:29:01Z")
The beef about the educational tax credit is that the Santorum children attend(ed) a cyber school paid for with Penn Hills School District funds. Unlike at a bricks-and-mortar school, parents who reside outside the district cannot pay tuition at this cyber school, so if the Santorums are not residents of PA, then they are not eligible to use the cyber school, which costs the district about $7500 per student per year. Basically, then, the argument runs that since the Santorums don’t reside in the district that provides their kids’ education, they’re abusing the PA school system since they should be sending their kids to school in Virginia, where they actually live. (Article [here](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04319/411623.stm).) Oh, yeah. And Santorum is the backwash from a douchebag. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/19 "2006-05-26T17:31:27Z")
Hey, **Bricker** , do you have a comment on Santorum’s false accusations of trespassing or are you just here to defend the right of the rich to force taxpayers to pay for their kids’ private schools? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291/20 "2006-05-26T17:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] The spirit of the law is that members of Congress are entitled to be treated as residents of their home state and district. They have a job that requires them to maintain two residences. Any argument that starts out, “He really lives in DC, not here,” is a non-starter in my book. Now, I am open to, “He really lives in District 3, but has a mailbox in District 5,” or “He really lives in Wisconsin, but has an empty house in Texas,” arguments. But excoriating a senator for acting like he lives in his home state when he has another residence in the DC area is not fair. It’s not right to ask a man to live apart from his family when Congres is in session; it’s not right to ask him to give up his residency in the state he represents while he is engaged in representing that state. [/QUOTE] And it would probably be a non issue had he not used the exact same argument against another congressman in order to win his seat in 1990. It’s pretty obvious that congressmen are required to remain as close to DC as possible; they work there. But don’t denounce someone as being out of touch with the people of Pennsylvania because _horrified shock_ “he doesn’t even LIVE here!” and then turn around and do the exact same thing yourself. People tend to remember things like that. Causes them to feel like fools for being fished in by such a stupid assed argument, and nobody likes being made a fool of in public. Especially if they end up paying the guy who made them look like fools. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/santorum-is-a-shithead-sun-also-rises-in-east/358291.md?page=2)