# Sarah blames Track's PTSD on Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737 "2016-01-21T01:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/101 "2016-01-21T20:41:52Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > How is Sarah Palin still even relevant to anything except as the subject of a remarkably accurate comedic impersonation by Tina Fey _using a transcript of Palin’s own interview_? Even Fey has moved on to better things and hasn’t bothered reviving the character in, what, five years? Um, [actually](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSiH1eAF3s). (Forward to about 3:18 or so. When the smoke starts.) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/102 "2016-01-21T20:44:10Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > … Even Fey has moved on to better things and hasn’t bothered reviving the character in, what, five years? … > Stranger I’d like to think Tina will be back on SNL in the next couple of weeks to update her impersonation. “I can see Donald Trump from my porch!” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/103 "2016-01-21T21:00:42Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I’d like to think Tina will be back on SNL in the next couple of weeks to update her impersonation. “I can see Donald Trump from my porch!” I’d **go** with Sarah Palin, but I’d be thinking of Tina Fey. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/104 "2016-01-21T21:20:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. > > A more defensible position is that she was claiming that Obama’s lack of respect for veterans made her realize anew how awful a president he is, because anyone suffering from PTSD after serving deserves respect, which Obama isn’t manifesting. > > Why isn’t that “what she meant?” You suggested the answer to that in your first post to the thread: [QUOTE=Bricker] (1) Sarah Palin is very stupid. [/Quote] ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/105 "2016-01-21T21:22:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. She simply mentioned both those things. You cannot blame her for what she did not say. You created that link, not her. That’s how it works in formal logic, and maybe even in lawyerly briefs: that the juxtaposition of two facts or assertions doesn’t imply any connection between them. However, that’s not how it works when normal human beings talk. If a mathematician needs to tell you this, you’re in more trouble than I’d previously realized. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/106 "2016-01-21T21:37:08Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That’s how it works in formal logic, and maybe even in lawyerly briefs: that the juxtaposition of two facts or assertions doesn’t imply any connection between them. > > However, that’s not how it works when normal human beings talk. If a mathematician needs to tell you this, you’re in more trouble than I’d previously realized. Not only is that not how normal talking works, that’s not how any sort of organized communication works. If her comments were paragraphed, those sentences would clearly be in the same paragraph. Ideas in a paragraph have some relationship to one another. It’s true that she’s very stupid, but her particular brand of word salad still has connections, however stupid, between ideas. Positing that she’s interwoven two themes --soldiers with PTSD, and Obama’s lack of respect for the military–without intending a connection between them is really weird. Edit: by the way, Brainglutton, nobody cares about who you want to fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/107 "2016-01-21T21:39:35Z")
They are connected in that they are both about soldiers, no? For what it’s worth, I took her “argument” to be that if we removed PC rules of engagement then we would win faster and therefore traumatized fewer American soldiers. But that was based on a news clip, not the transcript. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/108 "2016-01-21T21:41:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I’d **go** with Sarah Palin, but I’d be thinking of Tina Fey. 😉 She’ll never leave Amy Poehler and we know it. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/109 "2016-01-21T21:47:01Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > They are connected in that they are both about soldiers, no? > > For what it’s worth, I took her “argument” to be that if we removed PC rules of engagement then we would win faster and therefore traumatized fewer American soldiers. But that was based on a news clip, not the transcript. Because no American soldiers would be traumatized by… \*I went over to the sergeant. Said, “Sergeant, you got a lot of god-damned Gall to ask me if I’ve rehabilitated myself! I mean . . . I mean . . . I Mean that you send . . . I’m sittin’ here on the bench . . . I mean I’m Sittin’ here on the Group W bench, ‘cause you want to know if I’m moral Enough to join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein’ a Litterbug.” \* Stupid little shitstain… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/110 "2016-01-21T21:48:46Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > So was John Travolta, but then he got “Pulp Fiction” was boom, he was back. #lookwho’stalking #neverforget (Also, y’all are some Red Dwarf quotin’ _nerds_. Nerds, I tells ya.) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/111 "2016-01-21T21:49:38Z")
Jesus Christ, let’s just ask any of the Gulf War I vets if any of them have any PTSD over having buried thousands of Iraqis alive by going down the lines of their trenches with bulldozers… Or watching children blow themselves up. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/112 "2016-01-21T21:49:49Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > Oh, I dunno. It’s possible Palin just went out there and made a series of individual sounds. If you want to structure them into words and sentences, I can’t stop you. Sarah Palin [releases a statement](https://www.facebook.com/dailykos/photos/a.416444264254.190398.43179984254/10153950404039255/). ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/113 "2016-01-21T22:02:25Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Sarah Palin [releases a statement](https://www.facebook.com/dailykos/photos/a.416444264254.190398.43179984254/10153950404039255/). It’s not a coloring book so I question the authenticity. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/114 "2016-01-21T22:58:08Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > Would he suddenly not have PTSD if Bush or Trump or Cruz were in office? Probably, because then there’d be no way to blame it on Obama. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/115 "2016-01-21T23:16:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Palin’s folksy babble is comforting and likable to millions of people. So is heroin, and it does less damage to the mind. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/116 "2016-01-21T23:46:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The actual words she uttered to describe this whole situation could be used, unaltered, in a skit on SNL with Tina Fey. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > In all fairness, I don’t really get where Palin blamed Obama. Her entire speech was incomprehensible. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _ahem_ > > I think you guys may be giving her too much credit. [Fey] _ **“Dammit, Lorne! Open that door…! Will you Look at this…? Did you even read it!? How the Fuck am I supposed to say this with a straight face in front of a live studio audience??? Who Wrote This Shit!?”** _ [/Fey] > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I’d like to think Tina will be back on SNL in the next couple of weeks to update her impersonation. “I can see Donald Trump from my porch!” **“Porch Towers”** A Lively Community Atmosphere where Alaska’s Richest, Most Superior, and Just Plain Best _ **Wink** _ enjoy the Finest that life has to offer: Golf. Swimming. ATV riding. Golf. Investing. Flipping properties. Golf. Shooting wolves from planes. Opposum Skeet. and… of course… Golf. “I can’t see my ball.” “It’s all this Fucking Annoying snow…! We could have used some warming. Thanks, Obama…!” ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/117 "2016-01-22T02:52:17Z")
ftr- I was only teasing. Larry David, if he exists at all, would NEVER consent to using any tangent of any idea I’ve ever had. Ever. (If he did, his blood vessels would explode not unlike an M80 in a pot of tomato sauce…) ---
**Author:** ![booneyvince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c4cdca/32.png) [@booneyvince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/booneyvince)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/118 "2016-01-22T08:32:25Z")
> [@cutman74](#): > > Probably ought to just be lumped with either SRIOD or MRIOD, but Sarah Palin says her son beats his girlfriend and engages in drunken firearm waving because Obama doesn’t have any respect for veterans. I have lived with people who suffered from PTSD and have friends who are dealing with it now. Maybe the way to treat PTSD is to stop starting pointless misdirected wars. I’m pretty sure Track?sp probably served in Afghanistan or Iraq or both. You don’t get to start wars and then blame the people trying to end them for soldiers being traumatized. I’m not denying he has a problem. I’m just saying the best way to treat PTSD is to stop sending soldiers into harm’s way at the drop of a hat. The VA sucks at mental treatment, but for someone who thinks gun violence is a mental health issue to not get mental help for a family when she can obviously afford it makes me sick. Should the VA pay for it? absolutely. Obama’s abysmal record on veterans aside, it’s always hilarious when Palin shows up again, and the frothing idiots on the left spew their misogyny for all to see, forever putting the lie to the notion that they don’t hate women 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/119 "2016-01-22T10:27:29Z")
> [@booneyvince](#): > > Obama’s abysmal record on veterans aside, it’s always hilarious when Palin shows up again, and the frothing idiots on the left spew their misogyny for all to see, forever putting the lie to the notion that they don’t hate women 🙂 Well Sarah Palin was the stupidest person being talked about in the thread, now we got you. Thanks for joining. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737/120 "2016-01-22T13:11:59Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > " **My son came back different, hardened** , Someone should tell Palin that’s what happens when people are sent to war. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-blames-tracks-ptsd-on-obama/743737.md?page=7)