# Sarah Palin attacks the President on foreign soil **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 23, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253 "2009-09-23T16:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/61 "2009-09-23T19:29:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You got it in one. Reports put her fee for this speaking engagement in the low six figures. She can buy a whole new wardrobe! ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/62 "2009-09-23T19:31:13Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t think anyone is saying this here. The critical thing is that certain people are _not_ saying this here, and should in order to be consistent, even if they are wrong. No, I realize that, simply RO on my part, I think it’s such a silly notion. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/63 "2009-09-23T19:33:47Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Yes, I did. Even watched Breitbart’s video of a part of the speech. You do realize none of the accounts are from a professional, reliable source? The AFP story is not a media transcription, it’s all heresay of unknown persons who may or may not be objective. They’re not reporters, they’re anonymous conference attendees. Accounts of the speech are across the spectrum. That story is off the charts different from what CNN, [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32979700/ns/politics-more_politics/) and others report. The sheer inconsistency doesn’t give you pause? I can’t find anything reputable online that’s picked up the notion she’s attacking Obama. > > For the record I think she’s a bloomin’ idiot and is as objectionable of a candidate as could be imagined. I’m also not interested in anything your “right wing echo chamber” has to say. But this… this hits the cutting room floor of a Levi Johnston interview. Breitbart is a conservative outlet. You’re saying they’re making stuff up, or that the delegates are? Has Palin denied saying any of this stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/64 "2009-09-23T19:35:35Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Most people recognize that different standards of etiquette and behaviour apply for private vs public events. I don’t remember that being part of the rule, and this wasn’t like a private dinner party, it was an address to an international crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/65 "2009-09-23T19:55:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So Palin went to a Communist country and denounced the President and current administration for her hosts. > > All she needs now is the [helmet](http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/hanoi-jane-in-love.jpg). Shanghai Sarah, friend of the dread “Chi-Coms”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/66 "2009-09-23T20:06:38Z")
You mean that folks like Rush are really just partisan hacks, not speakers of the ultimate truth? Tell me it isn’t so!! ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/67 "2009-09-23T20:30:47Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Holy shit. Sorry folks. Well, have fun with it! We’re going to need a bigger bong. ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/68 "2009-09-23T21:46:33Z")
> [@](#): > > “It’s just common sense to realise the government’s attempts to solve large problems like the healthcare challenges that we have more often creates new ones,” she said, according to a recording obtained by Reuters. > [@](#): > > “If you want real job growth, you cut taxes and reduce marginal tax rates on all Americans … Cut payroll taxes, eliminate capital gains taxes, slay the death tax,” she said. “Get federal spending under control, then you step back and you watch the US economy roar back to life.” She portrayed herself as “a common sense conservative”, praising Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher for “getting it right”. I can see it now in 2012; ‘common sense economics’. They’ll lay it up of course. She seems even more of a blank slate for the corporations than was Bush. Her vs. Obama - there’s really only one winner. > [@](#): > > Fred Malek, a friend and Palin adviser, told Associated Press: “You can read a lot of things into [the speech] … But really, it’s a trip that will be beneficial to her knowledge base and will defray some legal and other bills that she has.” [Link](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/23/sarah-palin-hong-kong-speech) ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/69 "2009-09-23T22:21:00Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t think anyone is saying this here. The critical thing is that certain people are _not_ saying this here, and should in order to be consistent, even if they are wrong. Oooh, can I be one of the people? It’s in bad taste, in poor form and inappropriate, IMO, for prominent Americans to substanatively criticize US foreign policy in public while overseas. If she did it (which, based on the reports, I kinda doubt), I think less of her for it. Actually, I’d be much more critical of her than of the DC, since she is/was an actual politician giving prepared remarks for an audience of business leaders, not a singer popping off at a concert. Now, in turn, can we get a rousing chorus of “dissent is the highest form of patriotism?” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/70 "2009-09-23T22:31:13Z")
When did we move the goal post to “foreign policy?” The Dixie Chicks didn’t say anything about foreign policy. > [@furt](#): > > Now, in turn, can we get a rousing chorus of “dissent is the highest form of patriotism?” So you think the Dixie Chicks were patriotic? No, dissent is not the highest form of patriotism. Any moron can dissent. That has no patriotic value in itself. _Tolerance_ of dissent is the highest form of American patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/71 "2009-09-23T22:52:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > _Tolerance_ of dissent is the highest form of American patriotism. No, the highest form is to _listen to and understand_ dissenting views, and to use what you learn to re-evaluate your own position. You might be right and the process will give you reassurance of it. Or you might be wrong and the process will help you avoid an error. But simply declining to shoot people who disagree? If that’s the highest we can achieve anymore, we’re screwed. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/72 "2009-09-23T23:14:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But simply declining to shoot people who disagree? If that’s the highest we can achieve anymore, we’re screwed. The way the some of the crazies have been talking and behaving lately I’m actually ready to settle for that for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/73 "2009-09-24T00:52:01Z")
The rule is that you are not supposed to criticize a Republican President overseas, or even domestically, unless you are an America hating socialist. Democrats cannot be real Americans, much less real Presidents, or true Scotsmen. The reason for the rule is that Republicans are all no smarter than Sarah Palin and no braver than Rush Limbaugh (who has never debated an opponent in an equal forum). In short, they are all stupid cowards and it is unfair to point that out. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/74 "2009-09-24T01:54:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You mean that folks like Rush are really just partisan hacks, not speakers of the ultimate truth? Tell me it isn’t so!! I’m shocked as hell to find that Rush and Co. are at all hypocritical. I always thought that their views on politics came from their honest and pure little hearts. My world has sure been shattered all ta poodles. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/75 "2009-09-24T02:20:21Z")
There is no such rule. they made it up to attack the Dixie Chicks and any Dem they want. So when Palin does it, it is fine. No rule has been broken. The repubs make them up when they need them and discard them when no longer needed. How can you judge them ? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/76 "2009-09-24T02:55:53Z")
According to [this,](http://rawstory.com/2009/09/guests-walk-out-in-disgust-at-palin-speech/) the event was closed to the press. **WHY?!** ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/77 "2009-09-24T02:59:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You got it in one. Reports put her fee for this speaking engagement in the low six figures. Did she at least throw in a lap dance? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/78 "2009-09-24T03:07:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > According to [this,](http://rawstory.com/2009/09/guests-walk-out-in-disgust-at-palin-speech/) the event was closed to the press. > > **WHY?!** So there could be no actual reporting on what she said? The ultimate in deniability for the win. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/79 "2009-09-24T03:45:55Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > According to [this,](http://rawstory.com/2009/09/guests-walk-out-in-disgust-at-palin-speech/) the event was closed to the press. > > **WHY?!** Umm…you linked to an article that says why. Last sentence: > [@](#): > > CLSA, an arm of French bank Credit Agricole, said it closed Palin’s session to the media after she indicated that she would have to adjust her speech if reporters were present. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253/80 "2009-09-24T04:08:57Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Most people recognize that different standards of etiquette and behaviour apply for private vs public events. You are absolutely right. Wife swapping is for private parties of very Republican white people. Orgies are for “Democrat” gay pride parades – in public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-attacks-the-president-on-foreign-soil/511253.md?page=5)