# Sarah Palin exposed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425 "2011-09-15T19:07:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/61 "2011-09-16T04:13:36Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Nonsense. Just because she chooses to give up her dignity doesn’t mean she can’t have privacy. > > And again, there are already plenty of valid reasons to have a low opinion of her already. Why dig up petty ones from her past? Who has privacy anymore? Why should someone who is talking in front of every crowd that she can find, a person who expects privacy. Did Palin mention Rev. Wright ? Did she talk about Obama "palling around with terrorists’. She has earned no quarter. She is fair game. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/62 "2011-09-16T04:19:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And there is no reason in the world to not preach about virtue and then gamble, unless you claim that gambling is unvirtuous. If you don’t condemn gambling, there is no way generic claims about virtue can be read to mean you’re anti-gambling. I never got particularly up in arms about the Bennett/gambling _contretemps_; I did get a bit of a snicker over Mr. Book-of-Virtues dropping so much money on what is (at least colloquially) accepted as a vice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/63 "2011-09-16T04:21:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Is there any truth at all to to McGiniss’s allegations? I haven’t heard a whisper about this anywhere except here on the Dope. You could have read Doonesbury for the past week. Mr. Trudeau appears to be having some fun with it. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/64 "2011-09-16T07:12:52Z")
It couldn’t happen to a nicer asshole. I’m fucking tired of Sarah Palin and her will-she-won’t-she coyness. I’m tired of her preaching family values, when she uses her children to suit her needs. I’m tired of seeing her mentioned on the news. Write moar crappy books and fuck off. So she’s a good christian, so fucking what? You can be a christian without screaming it constantly from the rooftops. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/65 "2011-09-16T09:29:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Dunno. Is he a “don’t make mistakes like me” counselor or a “follow the path of virtue like me” counselor? > > I require consistency. If he has some unknown basis for carving out gambling from the standard moral-scold menu… well, as I said, it’s unknown until he chooses to reveal it. If his basis is the obvious one of self-interest… well, his dentist might want to recommend a switch to unsweetened porridge. What is the standard menu? Where is it listed, that I might learn it? I absolutely disagree with your inclusion of gambling as a standard menu item. Perhaps if Bennett’s religion had some tenet against gambling, you could make the claim that by pious representations he was a faithful XXXXX he was implicitly claiming he avoided gambling. But he belongs to a faith that routinely raises money by Friday Night Bingo Nights. (and since you value consistency, will you ever admit that your claims that if Virginia banned same-sex marriage it would see a wave of unprosecutable domestic violence, or “extra wringer” barriers. > [@Defense of Marriage in Virginia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defense-of-marriage-in-virginia/378024/37): > > I consider it a matter of established fact, based on what happened in Ohio, that many victims of domestic violence would (at best) find it necessary to go through an extra wringer to obtain those protections or (at worst) be denied them altogether. > > Even the former is unacceptable, given that it would be inflicted as a side effect of an unnecessary measure to ward off a nonexistent problem. Since you value consistency, and all. That “established fact” never actually happened, did it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/66 "2011-09-16T09:34:12Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I never got particularly up in arms about the Bennett/gambling _contretemps_; I did get a bit of a snicker over Mr. Book-of-Virtues dropping so much money on what is (at least colloquially) accepted as a vice. 😃 Again, though, he’s Catholic. The odds are not bad that he belongs or has belonged to a parish that has run a Friday Bingo Night to raise money. Sorry – but your vision of gambling as a generic, widely accepted vice just doesn’t jibe with reality. It’s about the best example of a strawman that there is. We Catholics love gambling. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/67 "2011-09-16T09:41:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > As to anyone who upholds him or herself as an exponent of Virtue, you don’t get to pick and choose what virtues to personally espouse as a matter of convenience. You\* can write bestsellers about virtuous behavior but if you get caught committing bestiality, you won’t get off the hook by pointing out that your books didn’t _specifically_ address fornicating with barnyard animals. Yes, true enough. But this is because there is wide-spread agreement on the issue of beastility. The largest single Christian faith in the US, and the one to which Bennett belongs, has no problem with gambling. So while I agree that no matter what list you look at, you’ll see beastility listed. But I do not agree that gambling is in the same boat. If a man can spend Friday night at his parish’s Bingo Night and Saturday at his parish’s K of C hall’s annual Casino Night, then there’s no way you can say he’s coy about his inclusion of the idea that gambling is a vice. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/68 "2011-09-16T09:43:40Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > No, but a heroin addict that claimed to have never had the habit and who worked furiously to demonize and denigrate those who suffer from heroin addiction while still being an unadmitted addict surely would be. > > Your habit of parsing words and stretching credulity to fit your preconceived worldview is wearying. Yes. And surely you can show me where Palin claimed never to have had the habit, this example? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/69 "2011-09-16T10:21:19Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Because they’re funny? Would’ve been funnier if it was Todd. > [@gonzomax](#): > > Who has privacy anymore? Why should someone who is talking in front of every crowd that she can find, a person who expects privacy. So because someone is in the public eye, a politician in this case instead of an athelete, actor, author, speaker, musician, journalist, etc., they have no right to privacy. By that logic, it would then be fine to dig through Boehner’s trash, or Pelosi’s, or Obama’s and dig up every bit of dirt one could find no matter how unsubstantiated. > [@](#): > > Did Palin mention Rev. Wright ? Did she talk about Obama "palling around with terrorists’. > She has earned no quarter. She is fair game. Now I get it. Because she disagrees with you politically and said bad things about Obama, it’s okay. I certainly know that there are tons of Obama books out there. Some good and informative. Some simply getting more mileage out of him being a secret communist muslim black panther militant alien used car dealer ballet dancer from Saturn. What I am saying is that simply because Sarah Palin is the political version of Paris Hilton (minus the sex tape so far) does not mean that she has given up her privacy any more than any other public personality. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/70 "2011-09-16T12:14:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > A heroin addict that kicked the habit and works as a drug counselor, then, is a hypocrite? > [@MikeG](#): > > No, but a heroin addict that claimed to have never had the habit and who worked furiously to demonize and denigrate those who suffer from heroin addiction while still being an unadmitted addict surely would be. Also, a heroin addict who worked as a drug counselor without ever revealing to his employers that he had an addiction history would be fired, pronto. It’s another example of inanity to claim that Church Bingo Night is the equivalent of dropping millions of dollars at Vegas casinos (Bennett’s total losses have been estimated in the $8 million range). And while Bingo Night is, I believe, supposed to raise money for good works, the same cannot be said for feeding the bank accounts of Vegas casino operators, whether or not one believes they are all pillars of the community. [Re hypocrisy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett): _“Bennett was not prohibited from gambling (although the Catholic Church states that believers should be stewards of their money and use moderation) but some felt it conflicted with his public image as a leading voice for conservative morals. Criticism elevated in the wake of Bennett’s publication, The Book of Virtues, in which he argued for self-discipline— an attribute at odds with problem gambling. Bennett and Empower America, the organization he co-founded and headed at the time, opposed the extension of casino gambling in the states.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/71 "2011-09-16T13:09:23Z")
Personally I can do without Sarah Palin being exposed, or exposure to Sarah Palin, or exposure by Sarah Palin, or any other entendre (single, double, etc.) involving the verb “expose” and Ms. Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/72 "2011-09-16T13:22:39Z")
The allegations in the book are kind of entertaining in a, “if all that shit is true, there are some sphincters that will never untighten up there in Alaska” kind of way. What will be truly entertaining depends on how she responds to the allegations. Unless she goes on Fox ‘News’ and calls McGinnis a lying cocksucker and sues him for libel, then she’s in it up to her neck. And then the fun will begin. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/73 "2011-09-16T13:33:29Z")
> [@MikeG](#): > > No, but a heroin addict that claimed to have never had the habit and who worked furiously to demonize and denigrate those who suffer from heroin addiction while still being an unadmitted addict surely would be. Or, maybe someone who does their best to demonize and persecute homosexuals but turns out to be renting boys on the weekends. But that’s just another case of IOKIYAAR. Standard practice, really. > [@MikeG](#): > > Your habit of parsing words and stretching credulity to fit your preconceived worldview is wearying. It’s all he ever does. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/74 "2011-09-16T13:37:17Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Personally I can do without Sarah Palin being exposed, or exposure to Sarah Palin, or exposure by Sarah Palin, or any other entendre (single, double, etc.) involving the verb “expose” and Ms. Palin. How about “death by”? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/75 "2011-09-16T13:47:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Is there any truth at all to to McGiniss’s allegations? I haven’t heard a whisper about this anywhere except here on the Dope. Oddly, I can’t find a mention of it anywhere on the National Review website. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/76 "2011-09-16T13:51:33Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Oddly, I can’t find a mention of it anywhere on the National Review website. Well then how was he supposed to know about it? And she’s not mentioned on the [www.foxnews.com](http://www.foxnews.com) front page. How was he supposed to know? **HOW WAS HE SUPPOSED TO KNOW?!?!?!** -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/77 "2011-09-16T13:54:52Z")
I was more affected when I learned that she was shooting wolves from helicopters. What kind of human being does _that_? Everyone has been a bit of a hypocrite at times even though we are not in the national news projecting ourselves as above-it-all. But hunting via vehicle is so unsportsmanlike and Cheneyish and shooting random wolves is ignorant and coldblooded. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/78 "2011-09-16T13:56:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I was more affected when I learned that she was shooting wolves from helicopters. What kind of human being does _that_? Everyone has been a bit of a hypocrite at times even though we are not in the national news projecting ourselves as above-it-all. But hunting via vehicle is so unsportsmanlike and Cheneyish and shooting random wolves is ignorant and coldblooded. She thought it was The Thing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/79 "2011-09-16T13:58:20Z")
Psssst … no one will report on it much because no one gives a shit about Palin any more. She two nutsos old news, eclipsed by Bachmann who has been eclipsed by Perry. Yeah, condemning herion addicts while never admitting you were one, legislating against homosexual behaviors while having gay sex in stalls, and preaching against the immorality of sex outside of marriage without mentioning tat you were once a sinner, all count as hypocrisy. But who cares about a has-been celebrity’s hypocrisy? Other than readers of _Us_? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425/80 "2011-09-16T14:41:04Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Also, a heroin addict who worked as a drug counselor without ever revealing to his employers that he had an addiction history would be fired, pronto. > > It’s another example of inanity to claim that Church Bingo Night is the equivalent of dropping millions of dollars at Vegas casinos (Bennett’s total losses have been estimated in the $8 million range). And while Bingo Night is, I believe, supposed to raise money for good works, the same cannot be said for feeding the bank accounts of Vegas casino operators, whether or not one believes they are all pillars of the community. [Re hypocrisy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett): > > _“Bennett was not prohibited from gambling (although the Catholic Church states that believers should be stewards of their money and use moderation) but some felt it conflicted with his public image as a leading voice for conservative morals. Criticism elevated in the wake of Bennett’s publication, The Book of Virtues, in which he argued for self-discipline— an attribute at odds with problem gambling. Bennett and Empower America, the organization he co-founded and headed at the time, opposed the extension of casino gambling in the states.”_ “An attribute at odds with _ **problem** _ gambing.” Yes. If I lost $8 miilion gambling in ten years, that would absolutely be problem gambling. If LeBron James lost $28 million gambling in ten years, he might not even notice. (“Honey? Did I leave $8 million in my other pants?”) The amount of money lost proves nothing. The amount of money lost as a percentage of one’s total income is important, not simply the raw number. A Vegas blackjack table with Kobe Bryant, Alex Rodriguez, Phil Mickelson, and Peyton Manning playing might gain half a million dollars in one night, and not one of those guys would feel the pinch. Over ten years, Bennett is said to have lost about $8 million in total. But while he’s not in Lebron James’ territory, he did earn about $50,000 per speech during the same time period, and his yearly income was said to exceed $10 million. If he’s dropping $800,000 per year at the casinos while he’s bringing in $10 million, I don’t agree that’s problem gambling. In fact, the very Wikipedia article you refer to has a hyperlink at the words “problem gambling,” which brings the reader to an article about the specific symptoms associated with [[Problem gambling - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_gambling)](problem gambling.) > [@](#): > > In order to be diagnosed, an individual must have at least five of the following symptoms: > > 1.Preoccupation. The subject has frequent thoughts about gambling experiences, whether past, future, or fantasy. > 2.Tolerance. As with drug tolerance, the subject requires larger or more frequent wagers to experience the same “rush”. > 3.Withdrawal. Restlessness or irritability associated with attempts to cease or reduce gambling. > 4.Escape. The subject gambles to improve mood or escape problems. > 5.Chasing. The subject tries to win back gambling losses with more gambling. > 6.Lying. The subject tries to hide the extent of his or her gambling by lying to family, friends, or therapists. > 7.Loss of control. The person has unsuccessfully attempted to reduce gambling. > 8.Illegal acts. The person has broken the law in order to obtain gambling money or recover gambling losses. This may include acts of theft, embezzlement, fraud, or forgery. > 9.Risked significant relationship. The person gambles despite risking or losing a relationship, job, or other significant opportunity. > 10.Bailout. The person turns to family, friends, or another third party for financial assistance as a result of gambling. Do you have any evidence that five or more of these symptoms applies to Bennett? What is it? Or were you just trying to be tricky, slipping in “problem gambling” in your quote and hoping no one made the distinction between that and recreational gambling? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-exposed/596425.md?page=5)