# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/181 "2010-04-13T18:44:12Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > What is abnormal is trying to retrospectively blame it on your father’s ham-fisted sex ed attempts in some pathetic effort at condemning all sex education efforts. Look, I don’t have time today to contend with all the nonsense that has been posted here today, but I just can’t let this slide. What the hell did I say that makes you think I’m “blaming” my father for anything? He did what fathers are _supposed_ to do when kids start asking about sex: he provided me with information explaining it! Nor do I see any reason for blame. I certainly don’t view my experiences as having been harmful in any way, though it certainly could have turned out harmful had things gone differently. The reason I brought it up in the first place was to illustrate how kids react when they start getting sexual imagery and information at an early age. This in response to **Blalron’s** apparent belief that the younger we start teaching kids about sex, the more responsibly they’ll be able to handle it. The more I see of the myriad idiotic ways that people interpret and respond to things they don’t like hearing around here (and FYI, yours was far from being the worst or most idiotic, **Hector** ), the more amazed I am that human beings have ever been able to get along well enough to develop societies in the first place. Cripes! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/182 "2010-04-13T18:49:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The more I see of the myriad idiotic ways that people interpret and respond to things they don’t like hearing around here Speaking of which, I explained the original meaning of “death panels” to you a couple of weeks ago, but here you are using it again. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/183 "2010-04-13T18:49:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > SEcondly, I thought it was weird that the article talked about “Medicare’s universal health care policy”. If it were universal, it wouldn’t be needs-based. After a little googling, it appears that Universal is the name of that service line for Florida Medicare, and the authors of the article were extremely careless or downright ignorant in repeatedly implying that it was “universal” rather than “Universal.” You can almost see how a rightarded person would pick it up and run to a message board in frothing outrage over “universal” health care. Universal Health Care is a private company which provides Medicare Advantage and other Medicare supplemental plans. The State of Florida also contracts with them to administer some of its Medicaid plans. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/184 "2010-04-13T18:51:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **Look, I don’t have time today to contend with all the nonsense that has been posted here today** , but I just can’t let this slide. What the hell did I say that makes you think I’m “blaming” my father for anything? He did what fathers are _supposed_ to do when kids start asking about sex: he provided me with information explaining it! Nor do I see any reason for blame. I certainly don’t view my experiences as having been harmful in any way, though it certainly could have turned out harmful had things gone differently. The reason I brought it up in the first place was to illustrate how kids react when they start getting sexual imagery and information at an early age. This in response to **Blalron’s** apparent belief that the younger we start teaching kids about sex, the more responsibly they’ll be able to handle it. > > The more I see of the myriad idiotic ways that people interpret and respond to things they don’t like hearing around here (and FYI, yours was far from being the worst or most idiotic, **Hector** ), the more amazed I am that human beings have ever been able to get along well enough to develop societies in the first place. Cripes! You’re the one who started the thread with more concentrated nonsense than the rest of us put together. You completely twisted what happened to suit your views and have so far ignored the truth that’s been pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/185 "2010-04-13T18:53:32Z")
Technical note: [Bone marrow transplantation](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematopoietic_stem_cell_transplantation) is not “surgery.” The cells are infused into the patient intravenously. The _donor_ requires general anesthesia for removal of the bone marrow. Nowadays, getting peripheral blood stem cells from the donor through apheresis is more common. The procedure is not a guaranteed cure, but sometimes the best option for certain diseases. Most transplant centers have offices full of people whose job is convincing the insurance companies to cover treatment. One of **Starving Artist** ’s main bugaboos is The Fatherless Family. I guess he’s decided that Ms Smith–a single monther–deserves to live because she’s “beautiful.” (Personally, I’m wishing her the best.) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/186 "2010-04-13T18:53:34Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > A point on this. American taxpayers do not fund public schools because they are _parents_. The rationale for “universal schooling” (so to speak) is that the society as a whole is better off if a certain minimum level of education is provided for all children. If a parent chooses to send _his_ child to a private school, or to homeschool–or if he has no children–that really has nothing to do with the postulated social benefit that he receives from _everyone else’s children_ receiving at least minimal schooling. I hope you’re right, or I’ve been wasting thousands of tax dollars every year on tuition for my cat, who thusfar has shown little interest in book-learnin’. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/187 "2010-04-13T18:54:13Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > See, this is the problem with blaming The Government. Because in this case The Government took control of her healthcare and is getting her the operation. :smack: What is wrong with you people? Yeah, the government took control after she raised a stink and got the media involved. Here’s yet another example of how I can’t believe how some of you think. What if an insurance company had told this woman that because of some technicality she was unaware of they were going to deny the life-saving surgery she was scheduled soon to receive, and then when presented with her offer to bring things back in line so she could her surgery, they told her it was “too late” to change anything? And then what if she publicized that response and got politicians and hugely popular talk show hosts to go to bat for her, with the result that, hey, guess what, the insurance company is now taking pains to make sure she got her surgery as scheduled. Would you all be talking about the wonderful insurance company “took control” of her healthcare and made sure she got the treatment she needed? Hell, no, you wouldn’t, and you know that fully well. But because you think the government is the end all and be all of loving civic munificence, you turn a blind eye to reality and convince yourselves that the government was acting on her behalf all along. And **Inigo** , feel free to pile on if you like. You know…sticks and stones, and all that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/188 "2010-04-13T18:57:11Z")
Post #39 > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Look, I don’t have time for this nonsense. Post #181 > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Look, I don’t have time today to contend with all the nonsense that has been posted here today, That’s 2 uses of the “I don’t have time” thing. Anyone wanna make a pool for what post # will contain the hat trick usage? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/189 "2010-04-13T18:58:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Look, I don’t have time today to contend with all the nonsense that has been posted here today, Surely you have time to address the most important point raised though: The fact that the example in your link happened under the current system that Republicans want to keep rather than the new system that has not come into effect yet. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/190 "2010-04-13T18:58:43Z")
What really pisses me off about this thread is that the article could be used by us conservatives as an excellent example of how government is a clusterfuck and how big government is not always a better solution than private industry etc. But instead, the OP starts on death panels (do we really need to use Palin to bolster our cause?) and ignores the major issue which is liability (tort reform anyone?). ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/191 "2010-04-13T18:59:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > people of my generation who know how to spell and punctuate properly (well, at least most of the time) and who know better than to call each other “assholes” and “cocksuckers” at 7-11 in front of children and little old ladies. You should hang out with my grandmother and her girlfriends (all World War II vets). They can make construction workers blush. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/192 "2010-04-13T19:02:14Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > One of **Starving Artist** ’s main bugaboos is The Fatherless Family. I guess he’s decided that Ms Smith–a single monther–deserves to live because she’s “beautiful.” (Personally, I’m wishing her the best.) One more addressment of idiocy and then I really must leave. Is it really your opinion that because Diana Smith is a single mother I would therefore prefer to see her die? Or that if so, that feeling is ameliorated by her attractiveness? If so, you’re a bigger idiot than even _I_ would have thought. And the reason I mentioned her attractiveness in the first place was because I knew it would get attention (which it has) and because it very likely played a significant role in the media’s publicizing the story in the first place. Let’s face it, good-looking people get other people riding to their defense much more quickly than people who aren’t. Take a homely woman out sometime and strand her by the side of the road (not really “strand” but you know what I mean) with a flat tire and and see how many people stop to try and help. Then take a beautiful woman to the same spot and strand her with a flat tire and see what kind of response she draws. Life sucks sometimes, but at least if you’re a conservative you can recognize that and deal with it accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/193 "2010-04-13T19:16:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What the hell did I say that makes you think I’m “blaming” my father for anything? You yourself said that you were “sexualized by these images and that information,” and as a result tried to have sex all over the place for years. If you didn’t mean to say that the information your father provided to you contributed to your “sexualization”, don’t write it, dummy. > [@](#): > > The reason I brought it up in the first place was to illustrate how kids react when they start getting sexual imagery and information at an early age. No, what you illustrated is how you reacted, or how you remember reacting, which is very, very likely different from reality, or more precisely how you chose to craft your recollection for the purposes of making a point on a message board. What you fail to grasp, dummy, is that humans are “sexualized” from the get-go, and many children express that and have expressed that in different ways during their development without any exposure to sexual imagery. It seems like you are suggesting that without exposure to “imagery” people wouldn’t figure out that touching their privates feels good, and eventually that Slot A fits into Tab B or Dowel C slides into Hole D. Even Garth recognized that he got a funny feeling when he climbed the rope in gym class. Didn’t you take an intro psych course at any point in your education? Didn’t you have an education? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/194 "2010-04-13T19:20:27Z")
**Starving Artist** , you’re really Nancy Pelosi’s troll account for the SDMB, aren’tt you? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/195 "2010-04-13T19:26:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And **Inigo** , feel free to pile on if you like. You know…sticks and stones, and all that. 🙂 No Way! I can’t take it so I don’t dish. I’m too big a pussy. But I do wholeheartedly disagree with your interpretation of events as written in the article. And from what I can tell, your politics in general. Now if you’ll excuse me, I think there’s a kitten thread next door that needs me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/196 "2010-04-13T19:26:28Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > …My cousins and I would look at my uncle’s Penthouses – at least, I THINK it was Penthouse --… Bragging time. It was my Mom, when I was about twelve, sat me down and started telling me dirty jokes. Really raunchy ones. And each joke went a bit further afield than the one before, so that if I didn’t get it, she would explain the mechanics underlying the joke, then tell me another along the same lines, which I was then sophisticated enough to laugh at. At the end of a couple hours, I had a rough idea of what went where and why, and some vaguer notions about some of the strange shit people get up to. Plus, I was equipped with some very advanced humor to try out on my cronies, which afforded me the glorious opportunity of explaining it to _them_! My reputation as a sophisticated man of the world soared! Thanks, Mom, see you if I get there. Not looking all that good, so don’t wait up. [/bragging] ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/197 "2010-04-13T19:45:38Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Post #39 > Post #181 > That’s 2 uses of the “I don’t have time” thing. Anyone wanna make a pool for what post # will contain the hat trick usage? From Post #1: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I don’t have the time at the moment ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/198 "2010-04-13T19:46:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One more addressment of idiocy and then I really must leave. Before you do, can you please address the following: The fact that the example in your link happened under the current system that Republicans want to keep rather than the new system that has not come into effect yet. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/199 "2010-04-13T19:48:19Z")
Hey, now. Show some respect, **Euphonious**. **SA** is sooooo busy. So very, very busy. He’ll get back to you when he can. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/200 "2010-04-13T19:51:21Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Again, horseshit! What you fail to understand is that there is ALWAYS social injustice. It’s unavoidable. When you try to manufacture fairness of one type, you create unfairness of another. I happen to think the current system serves more people much better than any government system would ever do. This would be the same system you are pitting in the OP of this thread, correct? I’d also like to point out the irony that, if we really did have “death panels” in this country, this woman would almost certainly have the medical care she needed already. Young woman, prime of her life, raising a kid, years of social productivity ahead of her? She’d have no trouble getting her medical costs covered, if we had one agency dedicated to reviewing and approving publicly funded medical procedures. It’s only because of this multi-agency clusterfuck (which **Starving Artist** both condemns and holds up as the best of all possible worlds) that her surgery was almost cancelled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=11)