# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/221 "2010-04-14T02:26:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And thirdly, despite my apparent sexual precocity and numerous experimentations, I never got properly and fully laid until I was 16. My guide in this delightful endeavor was a cute, highly oversexed and utterly delightful little heartbreaker of 20 who worked for my father at the time. These days, people like **Drain Bead** would be faunching at the bit to throw her in jail and brand her a “sex offender” for life, but paradoxically people weren’t so hysterical about youthful sex in those days and no one who was in the know thought anything about our relative ages. Gee, you describe this experience in extremely positive terms, given that it was an example of liberal 60’s free love between unmarried people. > [@](#): > > Anyway, the reason I brought all that up in the first place was to illustrate that the more you “educate” kids about sex, the more they’re going to want to do like the grownups do and engage in it. The degree to which you believe your personal anecdotes are actually illustrative of generalities is pathological. Dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/222 "2010-04-14T02:27:50Z")
I’ve little or no interest in reading the thread from the place at which I last posted to exactly identify where, precisely, it changed from **SA** ’s ignorant and ill-formed opinions on current and future health care laws and regulations into **SA** ’s ignorant and ill-formed opinions on things were so much better back in the day, but, I must say, I’m in complete and absolute bewilderment as to why posters allow him to get away with this shit instead of nailing the ignorance and stupidity demonstrated in his OP, and, especially as it was a particularly unknowledgeable and easily shot down OP, I would have expected that the force of the responses to him would have remained upon his completely made out of thin cloth thesis rather than floating along the river with whatever hijack he chooses to bring up in order to avoid and to pretend that the criticisms of his post are irrelevant to whatever it happens to be that he would like to act as if he actually meant. Shit, I accidentally typed a period. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/223 "2010-04-14T02:30:21Z")
**Starving Artist** , your posts would be funny if they weren’t so piti…nah, they’re funny. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/224 "2010-04-14T02:31:49Z")
Make 'em watch porn. Erica Jong said it best: > [@](#): > > The first ten minutes of a porn movie, all I want to do is fuck. After ten more minutes, I never want to fuck again as long as I live. Lock the girls in, make 'em watch three hours of Ron Jeremy, the Wooly Mammoth, and when you unlock the doors, they’ll run right over you in a stampede to get to the convent of the Little Sisters of the Awesomely Immaculate… ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/225 "2010-04-14T02:35:41Z")
I agree with **Frank** (I think). I really wish I, and everyone else, would just STOP RESPONDING to anything posted by **Starving Artist**. It’s useless, it’s a waste of electrons and time and hamster energy, and it makes him continue to feel that he’s got something to contribute instead of just drooling over himself in a corner. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/226 "2010-04-14T02:38:05Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I agree with **Frank** (I think). I really wish I, and everyone else, would just STOP RESPONDING to anything posted by **Starving Artist**. It’s useless, it’s a waste of electrons and time and hamster energy, and it makes him continue to feel that he’s got something to contribute instead of just drooling over himself in a corner. I completely agree and therefore am obligated to once again pimp my signature. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/227 "2010-04-14T02:40:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I’ve little or no interest in reading the thread from the place at which I last posted to exactly identify where, precisely, it changed from **SA** ’s ignorant and ill-formed opinions on current and future health care laws and regulations into **SA** ’s ignorant and ill-formed opinions on things were so much better back in the day, but, I must say, I’m in complete and absolute bewilderment as to why posters allow him to get away with this shit instead of nailing the ignorance and stupidity demonstrated in his OP, and, especially as it was a particularly unknowledgeable and easily shot down OP, I would have expected that the force of the responses to him would have remained upon his completely made out of thin cloth thesis rather than floating along the river with whatever hijack he chooses to bring up in order to avoid and to pretend that the criticisms of his post are irrelevant to whatever it happens to be that he would like to act as if he actually meant. > > Shit, I accidentally typed a period. The game obviously is, how long can **S\_A** string out the thread? As these trainwrecks routinely go over five pages, I’ve gotta say he’s gotten pretty good at it. Suckers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/228 "2010-04-14T02:44:13Z")
Hello? Hello? WTF, **Covered** posts at 9:38, its like five minutes later and nobody can hear me or see me…hello! Is this thing on? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/229 "2010-04-14T02:47:17Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Lock the girls in, make 'em watch three hours of Ron Jeremy, the Wooly Mammoth, and when you unlock the doors, they’ll run right over you in a stampede to get to the convent of the Little Sisters of the Awesomely Immaculate… [/QUOTE] :eek: Making anyone watch even a few minutes involving Rug Boy and the Trunk of DOOM™ is just…well, it’s cruel. And unusual. … … It would probably work though. Hell, you could probably use it to extract information from spy’s AND make just about anyone swear off sex (as well as write bad checks, if that’s needed)… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/230 "2010-04-14T02:51:47Z")
I just want to go on record as saying that I think SA is completely full of shit in this OP (I haven’t read beyond it), and I don’t even feel like explaining why. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/231 "2010-04-14T03:15:50Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I agree with **Frank** (I think). I really wish I, and everyone else, would just STOP RESPONDING to anything posted by **Starving Artist**. It’s useless, it’s a waste of electrons and time and hamster energy, and it makes him continue to feel that he’s got something to contribute instead of just drooling over himself in a corner. This, and I don’t mean Starving Artist in particular. Please ppl, if you feel someone doesn’t debate in good faith and is never worth reading, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE. You won’t see it, and you won’t miss it. Please reward sane and cogent arguments, and ignore the wharrgarbl. We all NEED strong, reality-based opposition arguments. It puts our belief to the test, and if your beliefs can’t withstand that, then it’s time to reassess and reevaluate. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/232 "2010-04-14T03:18:16Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So you don’t tell kids jackshit? Gotchya. :smack: What WAS I thinking? You are so right! It’s much better to have kids fucking like bunnies, getting pregnant, having abortions and carrying a 25% STD rate as is the case today than it is to have them remain largely ignorant of sex until they’re old enough to handle it. As for when I think it would be appropriate to “tell kids shit”, I would say, apart from the fact that I believe sex education should be up to parents rather than a government run educational bureaucracy, that once kids are old enough to drive they have likely developed enough common sense and judgement and discipline to at least begin to deal with the consequences of sex. If you just absolutely have to but in and > [@Guinastasia](#): > > :rolleyes: God, just when I think **Starving Artist** can’t get any stupider than he already is… I find it difficult to believe you ever think you’ve fully plumbed the depths of my stupidity. > [@Frank](#): > > I must say, I’m in complete and absolute bewilderment as to why posters allow him to get away with this shit instead of nailing the ignorance and stupidity demonstrated in his OP, and, especially as it was a particularly unknowledgeable and easily shot down OP… BWAHAHAHA! I suppose it’s escaped your notice that it was actually me who shot down my own OP, or at least the ‘trickery’ aspect of it. If it was so easily shot down how come I was the first one to notice, in post #97 no less, that Diana Smith had raised the funds for her operation herself, thus pulling the rug out from under my assertion that the government had deliberately tricked her in order to avoid paying for it? > [@Kolga](#): > > I really wish I, and everyone else, would just STOP RESPONDING to anything posted by Starving Artist. It’s most amusing how I was able to post here for years and years, getting involved in one steel cage death match after another about GWB, the Iraq war, and any and all things conservative vs. liberal, and scarcely a peep was raised to the effect that people should stop responding to me. Then, in response to one to many assertions that the only reason anyone could be a conservative at all would be that they are EVILLL to their very core, I began listing the various and sundry ways that liberal ideology and permissiveness and wrongheaded support for the wrong things have resulted in a huge number of lost and fucked up lives and caused an almost unlimited number of problems in an almost unlimited number of ways, and suddenly hardly a week goes by that someone like you isn’t imploring everyone else not to respond to me. Well, I’ve got news for ya, chum. Lots of people read the things I have to say. The vast majority disagrees with most of it, to be sure, but still I get the message out and those who care to read it, do. Do you actually think I _prefer_ to have to spend my time arguing against things I never said or straightening out dishonest misrepresentations of things I actually have said? It would be perfectly fine with me if you never spoke (or wrote, actually) another word to me again. It’s just that much more time I can spend saying what I want to say without having to contend with noisome static. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/233 "2010-04-14T03:21:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I just want to go on record as saying that I think SA is completely full of shit in this OP (I haven’t read beyond it), and I don’t even feel like explaining why. If you had continued on as far as post #97 you would have found that I [somewhat] agree with you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/234 "2010-04-14T03:21:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I suppose it’s escaped your notice that it was actually me who shot down my own OP, or at least the ‘trickery’ aspect of it. If it was so easily shot down how come I was the first one to notice, in post #97 no less, that Diana Smith had raised the funds for her operation herself, thus pulling the rug out from under my assertion that the government had deliberately tricked her in order to avoid paying for it? Critical thinking shot down your OP long before anybody actually responded to it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/235 "2010-04-14T03:25:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Critical thinking shot down your OP long before anybody actually responded to it. Horseshit. The fact is that everybody else missed it just like I did, or else they never read the cite to begin with. You know as well as I do that had anyone at all had picked up on that little indiscrepancy they would have been shouting it to the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/236 "2010-04-14T03:27:07Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I suppose it’s escaped your notice that it was actually me who shot down my own OP, or at least the ‘trickery’ aspect of it. If it was so easily shot down how come I was the first one to notice, in post #97 no less, that Diana Smith had raised the funds for her operation herself, thus pulling the rug out from under my assertion that the government had deliberately tricked her in order to avoid paying for it? As mentioned, I’ve missed many posts in this thread. If, in fact, Ms. Smith raised private funds to pay for her surgery, it does not in any way shoot down your OP. It is not, in fact, relevant in any way, shape, or form to your OP. How is the alleged (for the time being) fact that she raised funds relevant to your statement in the OP that she was tricked into losing health coverage? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/237 "2010-04-14T03:28:54Z")
Hey SA buddy, now that you’re not busy , I wonder if you could take a moment to respond to the following, as it’s been asked repeatedly: Please address the fact that the example in your link happened under the current system that Republicans want to keep rather than the new system that has not come into effect yet. I mean, how can this example be confirmation of Palin’s “death panel” remark, when the changes to health care have not even occurred yet? The “death panels” can not been formed this quickly, can they? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/238 "2010-04-14T03:32:31Z")
Actually I am busy. Headed out to buy a six-pack, as a matter of fact. I will be happy to respond to both you and **Frank** when I return. [Hint: You won’t like the answer.] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/239 "2010-04-14T03:37:35Z")
Brave, brave, brave Sir Starving… ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/240 "2010-04-14T03:41:05Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So then why did they stonewall her and tell her it was “too late” when she tried to cancel her son’s disability benefit and reinstate her health care? > Sounds like some drone somewhere just didn’t give a shit. I think THAT’S the real problem. Bureaucracy, coupled with “drones who don’t give a shit”, is the real evil here. And bureaucrats who don’t give a shit will be a problem in the public sector as well as the private. Rightie as well as leftie drones – with the power to deny us healthcare. What’s scarier? Rampant evil bureaucracy, or agreeing with S. Artist? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=13)