# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/301 "2010-04-14T17:59:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > When I was nine years old I happend upon a **collection of explicit pornography**. I showed it to my father, who came home the next day with several books on sex he had checked out of the library for me to read in order to learn how babies were made . . . . Two days later I was trying to get it on with the little eight-year-old girl down the block. It was only the fact that fifties-era sex books were **so vague in detail regarding penetration that not much happened.** > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I came upon **a collection of photos featuring full-on penetrative sex, some of which were taken from a…ahem…gynocological camera angle.** > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Kids aren’t stupid. Some are. If you can’t figure out how to stick it in after seeing pictures of full-on penetrative sex . . . from a gynocological camera angle, you’re stupid. Or full of contradictory bullshit. I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which. And yes, it can be both. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/302 "2010-04-14T18:03:55Z")
Yeah, but this is **Starving Artist** we’re talking about. I’m guessing he wasn’t much brighter when he was a kid than he is now. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/303 "2010-04-14T18:19:26Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > Jesus, you’re a moron. This sexual encounter wouldn’t even be illegal in my (very conservative) state (unless the 20 year old was your teacher or step-parent.) And anyway, how can you argue that teen sex is the downfall of society while simultaneously reminiscing fondly about your own unmarried teen sexual encounters? Are you really that divorced from reality? Look man, there are many things in this world that are JUST PLAIN WRONG. You know, when someone else does it. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/304 "2010-04-14T18:22:36Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > And anyway, how can you argue that teen sex is the downfall of society while simultaneously reminiscing fondly about your own unmarried teen sexual encounters? Are you really that divorced from reality? The only moral statutory rape is _his_ statutory rape. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/305 "2010-04-14T18:26:19Z")
It’s certainly taking **Starving Artist** a long time to come back from his beer run, huh? Fortunately, we have [security camera footage](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZgqCt24Js) of his night out. Man, it will take forever to clean that up. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/306 "2010-04-14T18:26:27Z")
I suppose when your premise relies on Palin being correct about something, you start way in the hole. The Death Panels were complete bullshit, made up by “Caribou Barbie”, “The American Mooselinni”, ‘The Iditarod Idiot" ,"the Alaskan Snowbillies’, .The Juneau Jerks", “the Queen of Quit” , The “Quitinator”, who walked away from elected office and responsibility to get as much money as possible. Her credibility is zero. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/307 "2010-04-14T18:35:03Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > Jesus, you’re a moron. This sexual encounter wouldn’t even be illegal in my (very conservative) state (unless the 20 year old was your teacher or step-parent.) And anyway, how can you argue that teen sex is the downfall of society while simultaneously reminiscing fondly about your own unmarried teen sexual encounters? Are you really that divorced from reality? Simple, really. He’s not having hot unmarried monkey sex any more. Not even in his dreams. So the fact that \*anyone \*has any really hurts his butt. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/308 "2010-04-14T18:37:05Z")
What the hell does he care, he cuts grass like a motherfuck! ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/309 "2010-04-14T19:08:53Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > And anyway, how can you argue that teen sex is the downfall of society while simultaneously reminiscing fondly about your own unmarried teen sexual encounters? Are you really that divorced from reality? We shall call this the P.J. O’Rourke Effect. Don’t get me wrong, P.J. has had his truly funny moments. But there’s an inherent contradiction in his writing, which is this: Certain immoral and illegal activities, such as premarital sex or gambling or drugs, are Fun. Even conservatives agree with this (though of course never as openly as P.J. does, especially if they are a pol). But if everyone went around doing them, the Nation Would Certainly Collapse, according to conservative thinking. How to bridge this problem? There are several main ways of going about it: 1. Have Fun in private but loudly denounce it in public (aka “Don’t get caught!”): the Jimmy Swaggert method. A great deal of fun, as opposed to Fun, results when the petard is hoist. 2. Totally ignore the contradiction: the P. J. O’Rourke method. Closely related is the “but both sides are bad” water-muddying. (In his defense, P.J. never claimed conservatives held the moral highroad, but not everyone who tries this defense does.) 3. Lastly, the **Starving Artist** method: Fine for me, not for thee. I’m sure **SA** is going to come in here and explain why it was OK for him to have premarital teenage sex. I guarantee it’s going to contain some variation on “I knew what I was doing”, the implication being that poor kids on welfare do not know what they are doing, and so therefore **SA** ’s Fun was a good thing while the poor kids’ Fun was not. Well, I’m at least glad **SA** got to shoot his wad into an “oversexed 20-year-old” then, instead of now, when he shoots his wad all over the BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/310 "2010-04-14T19:15:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I warned you guys about this! I warned you that if we kept being so mean to **Starkers** , we were going to hurt his feelings and he wouldn’t be around any more! Nah, **Starkers** revels in the disapproval of this crowd. Still, at the moment I’m - wait for it - busy, and I probably will be till late tonight. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/311 "2010-04-14T19:35:06Z")
May I suggest psyllium husks? It might “free you up” for more time with us. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/312 "2010-04-14T19:42:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nah, **Starkers** revels in the disapproval of this crowd. Still, at the moment I’m - wait for it - busy, and I probably will be till late tonight. Darn my luck! He’s always busy just before he gets to my question! Here it is again, in case you’ve misplaced it: > [@](#): > > Please comment on the following: > > You posted about a situation in which a poor woman found herself embroiled in government red tape between two different agencies that do not communicate well between each other. This situation occured BEFORE ANY CHANGES TO HEALTHCARE INSURANCE AS PROPOSED BY OBAMA HAD TAKEN PLACE. > > How then, can this be the fault of anything other than the status quo? The thing that Obama is trying to fix? How could this possibly confirm that Palin was right about “death panels”, when the proposed changes to healthcare HAVE NOT YET TAKEN PLACE? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/313 "2010-04-14T20:04:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Darn my luck! He’s always busy just before he gets to my question! > > Here it is again, in case you’ve misplaced it: Didn’t you see upthread? He said he had an answer, but “you’re not going to like it”. Because it’s going to be stupid as fuck, is what I’m guessing. Hell, even his right-wing board brethren haven’t been backing him up here. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/314 "2010-04-14T20:47:55Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Didn’t you see upthread? He said he had an answer, but “you’re not going to like it”. Because it’s going to be stupid as fuck, is what I’m guessing. Hell, even his right-wing board brethren haven’t been backing him up here. Yup, it’s pretty bad when **John Mace** and **Rand Rover** join in the pile on. Something else that occurred to me, the likelihood that **Starving Artist** came up with this on his own is slim to none. Basically, an even dumber conservative nut job found this and is spreading it. Sort of like cockroaches, seeing one means there are millions. **Starving Artist** was dumb enough to post it here where dozens of non-crazy and non-conservatives called bullshit. But think about all the Conservative Roulette sites where this garbage gets posted and then everyone blows a load in their pants. This is just the tip of a very crazy iceberg. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/315 "2010-04-14T21:04:47Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Yup, it’s pretty bad when **John Mace** and **Rand Rover** join in the pile on. Actually, i have trouble recalling the last time that **John Mace** offered any substantial support to our resident moron. They might share some opinions on a few political issues, but **JM** is, it seems to me, not only less conservative than **SA** ( **JM** has more libertarian leanings, i think), but so much more thoughtful and rational that it’s ridiculous to even compare them. **John Mace** has been critical of **SA** on multiple occasions in past threads, too. **Starving Artist** is this board’s perfect storm of dishonesty and stupidity; his only real competition, in my opinion, was the late, unlamented **milroyj**. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/316 "2010-04-14T21:20:35Z")
Yep - **John Mace** seems completely reasonable to me. I wouldn’t put him anywhere near **SA** or **Rand Rover** on the crazy scale. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/317 "2010-04-14T21:28:36Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Yep - **John Mace** seems completely reasonable to me. I wouldn’t put him anywhere near **SA** or **Rand Rover** on the crazy scale. Oh Starving Artist’s crazy all right. Crazy like a FOX ahahahahahahaha. Seriously. I kid because he’s crazy. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/318 "2010-04-14T21:36:41Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Yep - **John Mace** seems completely reasonable to me. I wouldn’t put him anywhere near **SA** or **Rand Rover** on the crazy scale. It’s less about crazy, and more about **JM’s** insistence on going counter to which ever the prevailing wind is blowing. To see a bunch of people taking pot-shots at a conservative OP is usually he’s rallying cry to nitpick the fun away. Then cue **Bricker** to tell us that what ever the hospital did was legal, and that someone, somewhere used a word in a manner not to his liking. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/319 "2010-04-14T22:44:47Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > It’s less about crazy, and more about **JM’s** insistence on going counter to which ever the prevailing wind is blowing. To see a bunch of people taking pot-shots at a conservative OP is usually he’s rallying cry to nitpick the fun away. Then cue **Bricker** to tell us that what ever the hospital did was legal, and that someone, somewhere used a word in a manner not to his liking. Then cue **Rand Rover** to tell us we’re all Liberal Douches, and we’re not fit to polish his new $5000 golf club. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/320 "2010-04-14T22:49:43Z")
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