# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/601 "2010-04-19T22:41:41Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > The US style of health care is really great and really cheap if you’re healthy and rich. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > "Well, Reverend Morrison… in your policy…in your policy… here we are. It states quite clearly that no claim you make will be paid. You unfortunately plucked for our Never-Pay Policy, which if you never claim is very worthwhile – but, uh, you had to claim – and there it is.” > > - —Mr. Devious\* A few years ago when I was getting into stocks and investing I came upon and article by Warren Buffet about the basic tenets for success in the US. A lot of it was good sound advice about maxing out your employer contributions for 401(k), then getting an Roth IRA. Then he talked about the usual “have 3 months income saved.” Then started in on insurance; first insisting that you get as much disability insurance as you can, having sufficient/proper home and auto insurance, and lastly, making sure you have as much health insurance as you can. Each of those aspect, in his opinion, were the reasons why most people would eventually get knocked down and stay down. It basically amounts to “shit happens prepare for it.” Then he concluded: Don’t get sick. It was probably a year and a half before I realized what that meant. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/602 "2010-04-20T00:08:07Z")
Not to hijack the thread, but other than the cosmetic, what “obvious differences” between races are there? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/603 "2010-04-20T00:14:07Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not to hijack the thread, but other than the cosmetic, what “obvious differences” between races are there? “Those people” just aren’t like us. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/604 "2010-04-20T00:29:26Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not to hijack the thread, but other than the cosmetic, what “obvious differences” between races are there? Rhythm. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/605 "2010-04-20T00:32:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Update: The ratio of “live in UHC and want UCH to: Live in UHC and want American style” > > Is now 40: 0 > > But I guess we are all just brainwashed, stupid, liberal douches, or have never had (or known anyone who had) any health problems. I understand Starving Artist’s love of anecdotes to prove his points. It’s natural for people to relate to stories over statistics. But what really bugs me is that he seems to show a complete disregard for other people’s anecdotes if they don’t support the conclusions that he likes. Starving Artist, I strongly urge you to read this article on [Confirmation Bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias). If you wonder why so many posters display such a strong negative reaction to your posts, it’s because you seem to be the ultimate poster child for this trait. If I can succeed at one thing in my interaction with you on this board, it would be to get you to understand the aforementioned concept. It really does get to the core of why it’s so frustrating to converse with you. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/606 "2010-04-20T00:55:06Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Starving Artist, I strongly urge you to read this article on [Confirmation Bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias). If you wonder why so many posters display such a strong negative reaction to your posts, it’s because you seem to be the ultimate poster child for this trait. If I can succeed at one thing in my interaction with you on this board, it would be to get you to understand the aforementioned concept. It really does get to the core of why it’s so frustrating to converse with you. Umm…that article will just show that he’s right. It may even “confirm” it. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/607 "2010-04-20T01:00:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > BTW, **Starving Artist** , you never answered my question – if your hypothetical five/six-year-old child came to you and asked how babies were made, what would be your response? Hmmm…guess he’s “too busy”. Figures. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/608 "2010-04-20T01:06:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > For decades we’ve been expected to pretend that very obvious differences do not exist between the sexes or races, and that anything and everything conservative is stupid, backward, and based on deliberately hurtful and evil motive. What does it say about his reputation, that by the time I got to this part of his thread, a statement so brutally sexist and racist didn’t phase me at all. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/609 "2010-04-20T01:15:41Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You unfortunately plucked for our Never-Pay Policy Nitpick: that’s “plumped.” (To plump for = to choose.) ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/610 "2010-04-20T01:21:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Update: The ratio of “live in UHC and want UCH to: Live in UHC and want American style” > > Is now 40: 0 > > But I guess we are all just brainwashed, stupid, liberal douches, or have never had (or known anyone who had) any health problems. Well ok, someone’s keeping count why not make it 41? As an NZedder I guess I qualify as a UHC kinda guy… ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/611 "2010-04-20T01:35:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you guys want to wise him up [again], or shall I? > > Oh, hell! I’ll do it. The dazzling/baffling remark was aimed at **elucidator** , you immature twit. Remember how I gigged him for taking the lesser route? Typical liberal resorting to name calling and character assassination. Ha ha, you’re a liberal now too! There goes your moral high ground. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/612 "2010-04-20T01:36:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Hmmm…guess he’s “too busy”. Figures. :rolleyes: Look, “woman”, I know it’s too hard for you to understand in your little woman-head, and oh my god, it’s not like you’re a minority or anything, but I think I detect a little bit of some sort of eastern-European type in you, ALL THESE GODDAMNED FAMILY LAWNS AREN’T GOING TO MOW THEMSELVES! Maybe in your MONGREL FAMILY they don’t get their grandfathers to MOW THEIR LAWNS but that’s just a flaw in your INFERIOR EASTERN-EUROPEAN (your name sounds Check or maybe YoGoSlaveen or something) culture. Still, it’s not you’re fault youre one of “them”. Your parents probably need to take some responsibility, too. -Joeving Artist ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/613 "2010-04-20T01:48:48Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Certainly there are problems with any system in the world. But my question is, why do you think the posters here who actually LIVE under those UHC regimes like it so much? Where is the clamor to make their systems more like ours? What advantages would our system give them that would balance out what they’d lose? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m going to take the time to answer this before I call it a night because you’ve asked it sincerely and with a nod to the fact that the system has problems, and because it touches upon a question I often get asked. > > The quick answer is that the posters here who live under government UHC, primarily from Canada and the U.K. are liberals like the American ones who populate this board and they’re perfectly happy to sacrifice quality, treatment options and timeliness in return for health care they don’t have to worry about paying for. > > Further I think they support it so much because most of them are young and haven’t had occasion to need health care that would bring them into conflict with their country’s being able to deliver it. > > Thirdly, there is the very human inclination to think that whatever you have or whatever system you live under is the best. > > And fourth, I don’t think most of the people in those countries are in a position to accurately judge the type of health care most of us have here . Most Americans don’t know much at all about the ins and outs of health care in England, France, Germany, Belgium, etc. and I don’t think the people there know or understand much of what it’s like to live here and be one of the 85% who get excellent care when they need it. Okay **Starving Artist** , serious question: you listed four groups of people who’s opinion you disregard. Is there a group who’s opinion you do trust? What about someone that is a conservative, old, had medical problems, and experienced those medical problems in both the US and a country with UHC? And an unserious question: do you see yourself as different than those four groups? You are young, haven’t needed medical care, assume the system you live under is the best, and aren’t in a position to judge other systems much less your own. So why do you suppose you are clinging so tightly to an archaic system. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/614 "2010-04-20T01:55:05Z")
[The Epistemic Closing of the Conservative Mind](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/19/858812/-The-Epistemic-Closing-of-the-Conservative-Mind-) – why, yes. Yes, it is a diary at Daily Kos, and thus to be discarded and disregarded by any right-thinking American. For those susceptible to the corrupting miasma of liberal thought, it’s a persuasive analysis of what appears to be going on with **SA** and why he’s so entirely impervious to all arguments and evidence refuting his gestalt. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/615 "2010-04-20T01:56:23Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > You are young, To an octogenarian, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/616 "2010-04-20T03:24:50Z")
duplicate ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/617 "2010-04-20T03:59:20Z")
I hear that when you get older, you start to repetitiously and redundantly say the same shit over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/618 "2010-04-20T04:02:23Z")
Say what? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/619 "2010-04-20T04:10:22Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/620 "2010-04-20T04:13:00Z")
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