# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/761 "2010-04-26T19:57:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t recall making much of an issue over who owns having seen it first. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I suppose it’s escaped your notice that it was actually me who shot down my own OP, or at least the ‘trickery’ aspect of it. If it was so easily shot down how come I was the first one to notice… > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Horseshit. The fact is that everybody else missed it just like I did, or else they never read the cite to begin with. You know as well as I do that had anyone at all had picked up on that little indiscrepancy they would have been shouting it to the moon. (Commentary seems superfluous, but all-quote posts aren’t allowed.) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/762 "2010-04-26T20:01:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … When have I ever claimed I never told anyone I was too busy to address their questions? … Must … resist … taking … the … damn … hit … for … the … team. CMC fnord! Unless it includes multiple hits from the team’s bong. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/763 "2010-04-26T20:30:42Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > (Commentary seems superfluous, but all-quote posts aren’t allowed.) Like I said, if you or somebody else noticed it first then you can have whatever credit you think it brings you. The point is that when things are flying hot and heavy as they were at that time, posts can get overlooked. If you noticed it before I did, it’s perfectly all right with me if you want to put a gold star on your door or something. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/764 "2010-04-26T21:03:08Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > [Note to other thread participants: I earlier pointed out that SA was lying about being the first person to point out that the “Tricks” part of his OP was wrong. Oh, yeah, and then there was the part about how a hidebound, inflexible and bureaucratic government, acting upon preset income limits and without any apparent ability to make adjustments in order to correct the situation, told her in effect to kiss off and die. Maybe it’s just me (and around here it pretty much is) but I think that the fact the government refused to allow her to cancel her extra benefits and reinstate her Medicaid coverage is the larger issue here, being an almost perfect example of the kind of governmental red tape, intransigence and indifference that leads to concerns about “death panels”. It’s not for nothing that the government has the kind of reputation it has, and the reputation it has is the precise reason why UHC has been and is being so long in coming. People know how the government operates and they want no part of it in their private lives, and especially not when it comes to their health care. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/765 "2010-04-26T21:42:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Maybe it’s just me (and around here it pretty much is) but I think that the fact the government refused to allow her to cancel her extra benefits and reinstate her Medicaid coverage is the larger issue here, being an almost perfect example of the kind of governmental red tape, intransigence and indifference that leads to concerns about “death panels” That’s funny, I’m looking for a thread titled: “State agency refuses to reinstate Medicaid benefits to cancer patient.” There doesn’t seem to be one. Instead, I’m looking at a thread titled “Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict”. Seems that’s all we’ve got here. Are you ever going to support your premise with some verifiable fact, or are you just going to post the same discredited crap another dozen or so times to see if you can get a few more pages out of this thing? ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/766 "2010-04-26T21:52:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Like I said, if you or somebody else noticed it first then you can have whatever credit you think it brings you. The point is that when things are flying hot and heavy as they were at that time, posts can get overlooked. If you noticed it before I did, it’s perfectly all right with me if you want to put a gold star on your door or something. So when you were the first to point out your own mistake, that meant everyone else in the thread was too dense to read the linked article. When it’s pointed out that in reality multiple other posters had already mentioned your mistake, then it’s “Hey, these things happen.” Got it. Still, it was pretty churlish to deny you credit. Sure, it’s like boasting about getting Final Jeopardy right even though you came up with your question after Alex, the three contestants, your spouse and the family dog \* had all said the same thing. However, since you’ve been so wrong about so many things – whether it’s Sarah Palin being right about death panels [Post #1], or how no one ever comitted a violent crime under the influence of alcohol\*\* [Post #110] or how to calculate a percentage [Post #379] – I’m willing to let you take a gold star for the one thing you were right about – namely, your wrongness. \*To be fair, the family dog forgot to phrase his answer in the form of question, so you would have beaten him \*\*It’s a tribute to SA’s ability to fling the merde fast and furious that that particular gem got almost no commentary. For any other poster it would be a prime WTF? moment. With SA, it wouldn’t make the Top Ten of this thread alone. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/767 "2010-04-26T21:54:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, yeah, and then there was the part about how a hidebound, inflexible and bureaucratic government, acting upon preset income limits and without any apparent ability to make adjustments in order to correct the situation, told her in effect to kiss off and die. You still don’t get it do you? (quelle surprise!) This woman earned enough money and benefits so that she was over the cutoff $$ amount for Medicaid. Why exactly should a government worker step in to help this particular woman out and break the rules? Why exactly should they have broken the rules in this particular case? Why exactly do you want them to make a special exception in this one case? What about all the other cases where someones income is just slightly too high? When is it OK to break the rules, and when is it NOT OK to break the rules? If you think that the extra benefits she received should not have “counted” as income when assessing her eligibility for medicaid, say so. If you think the income cutoff for eligibility for medicaid is too low, say so. But don’t complain that nobody in the government broke the rules to your satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/768 "2010-04-26T22:22:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Maybe it’s just me (and around here it pretty much is) but I think that the fact the government refused to allow her to cancel her extra benefits and reinstate her Medicaid coverage is the larger issue here, being an almost perfect example of the kind of governmental red tape, intransigence and indifference that leads to concerns about “death panels”. It’s not for nothing that the government has the kind of reputation it has, and the reputation it has is the precise reason why UHC has been and is being so long in coming. People know how the government operates and they want no part of it in their private lives, and especially not when it comes to their health care. And if she was under UHC her benefits wouldn’t have been cancelled, because they would be **universal**. That is what the U in UHC is for after all. Our government sucks pretty badly in many respects as well and probably has the same percentage of inflexible bureaucrats as yours does. That doesn’t stop UHC from working. Nor have they even talked about death panels up here. Your OP is actually an argument in favour of UHC, not an argument against it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/769 "2010-04-26T22:35:14Z")
Ha! Another beaverboy, brainwashed by socialism and besotted on bad beer! You don’t seem to get it. Your opinion is worthless because **SA** knows nothing about the Canadian health care systems, and that’s how we know that he’s right! Because he has no such exposure, and therefore is not brainwashed, whereas you actually live there, and are utterly submerged in brainwash sudsy foam. ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/770 "2010-04-27T00:50:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ha! Another beaverboy, brainwashed by socialism and besotted on bad beer! > > You don’t seem to get it. Your opinion is worthless because **SA** knows nothing about the Canadian health care systems, and that’s how we know that he’s right! Because he has no such exposure, and therefore is not brainwashed, whereas you actually live there, and are utterly submerged in brainwash sudsy foam. But I don’t drink (alcoholic beverages that is)! Maybe all the root beer (my favourite soft drink - Coke sucks) I’ve drunk in my life has turned my brain into lime jello and I’ve hallucinated all my experiences with UHC. Yup - That must be it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/771 "2010-04-27T01:07:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ha! Another beaverboy, brainwashed by socialism and besotted on bad beer! > > You don’t seem to get it. Your opinion is worthless because SA knows nothing about the Canadian health care systems, and that’s how we know that he’s right! Because he has no such exposure, and therefore is not brainwashed, whereas you actually live there, and are utterly submerged in brainwash sudsy foam. Uh, I believe I’ve posted quite a bit about problems with UHC in Canada, complete with statements by Canadian health care officials and articles about cut backs or elimination of certain types of urgent care because there aren’t the funds or facilities needed to provide them, and of one particular Canadian official who drew quite a bit of press because he flew to the U.S. for his own treatment. You, typically, found one reason or another to assert that this evidence was worthless. The official quoted wasn’t actually in charge of anything, or if she was, her authority didn’t cover all of Canada; the articles only showed that they were trying to make things better; the Canadian Supreme Court decision mandating private care would be allowable (notice that a Supreme Court decision was necessary in the first place) in the cases of “excessive” waits; they still don’t want OUR system; etc., etc., etc. The fact of the matter is that you want single-payer UHC and no amount of counter-evidence is going to have any effect on you whatsoever. You will minimize, handwave away, find fault with, or make fun of any cite or evidence offered no matter how credible or what the souce. You are the one who has been brainwashed, my boy. I’ve held the beliefs that I have since I became old enough to know and care about politics. It is you who, by your own admission, grew up a relative conservative and then did a 180 after reading radical leftie nonsense. (Okay, YOU didn’t call it nonsense, but that’s what it was - with the result that you are now so far out of it that you refer to your own politics as anarchic and a good deal farther to the left than most. So now, tell me again which one of us has been brainwashed and which has arrived at their beliefs as a result of life experience and common sense? Hint: the brainwashed one ain’t me.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/772 "2010-04-27T01:44:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Uh, I believe I’ve posted quite a bit about problems with UHC in Canada, … > > …You, typically, found one reason or another to assert that this evidence was worthless. … Don’t perzackly remember. I don’t recall that you ever posted exhaustive citations and studies, seems to me that you tried it once, got roundly mocked for a feeble effort, and never tried it again. Could be wrong, my memory isn’t what it used to be. Or, maybe it is, and I just don’t remember. I’ve seen the lamest minds of my generation, lauded, feted, vaulted into positions of vast power… > [@](#): > > …The fact of the matter is that you want single-payer UHC and no amount of counter-evidence is going to have any effect on you whatsoever. You will minimize, handwave away, find fault with, or make fun of any cite or evidence offered no matter how credible or what the souce… Once again, you are reduced to asserting that only the adamant stubbornness of others permits their disagreement. > [@](#): > > …It is you who, by your own admission, grew up a relative conservative and then did a 180 after reading radical leftie nonsense… you are now so far out of it that you refer to your own politics as anarchic and a good deal farther to the left than most… What I say is that I’m on the conservative wing of the extreme left. Its a bit of fun. Have you been fitted for a humor chip? Might want to look into that. On second thought, maybe not. Mark Twain, Joseph Heller, Paul Krassner, others…suddenly I found myself laughing about things I had been certain of all my life. May the Goddess bless such men as these (and Fran Lebowitz too!) and hold them close to Her Bountiful Bosom, amen. They saved me with the holy power of funny, and I thank them. > [@](#): > > …So now, tell me again which one of us has been brainwashed and which has arrived at their beliefs as a result of life experience and common sense? Hint: the brainwashed one ain’t me.) Wait, just second, don’t rush me, only a smartass peckerwood from Waco, so I need to take my time. I got two choices here, right, is it me, or is it you? OK, got it, two choices, me or you. But the second of the two choices isn’t so. So I can’t pick the second one, because its not true. I still have two choices, but I can only actually pick the first one, being me. Inconceivable! OK, give me a minute…so there actually are two choices, but really, there’s only one… Shit, this is like when Captain Kirk caught that killer satellite in a logical fugue state and it fried all its circuits in a frenzy of contradiction, masturbating like a motherboard…then smoke! sparks! BANG! Dead as DOS. Oh, no you don’t! No sir! People have tried to fry my brain before, I am experienced! You gotta get up pretty early in the afternoon… ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/773 "2010-04-27T02:34:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Shit, this is like when Captain Kirk caught that killer satellite in a logical fugue state and it fried all its circuits in a frenzy of contradiction, masturbating like a motherboard…then smoke! sparks! BANG! Dead as DOS. That’s because William Shatner is a Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/774 "2010-04-27T03:19:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The fact of the matter is that you want single-payer UHC and no amount of counter-evidence is going to have any effect on you whatsoever. You will minimize, handwave away, find fault with, or make fun of any cite or evidence offered no matter how credible or what the souce. > > You are the one who has been brainwashed, my boy. I’ve held the beliefs that I have since I became old enough to know and care about politics. Brainwashing is a tricky thing, it would really help you to start with the assumption that YOU are the one brainwashed and work from there. I will fully and freely admit I was brainwashed by the Canadian system, and I would guess that about 90% of Canadians are as well. Then I spent 5 years living in the US, and thought, “hey, best health care system in the world, let’s see what it has to offer.” You sir, are a giant fucking idiot. You don’t have the slightest fucking clue what is going on in Canada or in your back yard. The Canadian system lines up on par with about the 80th percentile of the US system. Essentially, the people in the US making about $80k a year, with a decent group plan, get the same health care as in Canada. Initially your taxes are lower, but after 8 grand worth of medical care costs you are much worse off. For the same care. The richest people in the US have access to some crazy wild shit the rest of us only dream of, you included. The kicker though, is that the richest Canadians just hop across the border to get the same care. What’s significant though, is not the care the richest in your country get, but the poorest. Not even the poorest, the lower 20 percentile. Their health care is so bad, you wouldn’t recognize it as American. Cubans have better health care than that group. You are trying to compare the “best” of American health care against the “best” of the Canadian system. But you don’t even have access to that. What you have access to is the SAME as the Canadian system, the system you call mediocre. And all of that is meaningless, because the bottom 20% of your society have access to shit all. Hospitals REFUSE to treat them. How fucked up does it have to be? You think that switching to single-payer will make your system mediocre, but that’s bullshit. Your system is already mediocre for the bulk majority, so there won’t even be a change. If you have ever used a group health plan IT’S THE SAME THING! The richest Americans will still have the same health care. The only difference is that Mrs Smith won’t get fucked around by a private hospital that thinks she’s not worth the risk. Oh, and you spelled “source” wrong, you fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/775 "2010-04-27T03:35:04Z")
Y’know, **emacknight** , your post systematically takes **SA** and his drivel apart, and leaves the component parts strewn about, quivering like masses of undifferentiated protoplasm. Congratulations, and well done. But kicking his remains over a typo just doesn’t reflect well on you. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/776 "2010-04-27T03:51:00Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > But kicking his remains over a typo just doesn’t reflect well on you. Sorry, inside joke, he’s been following me around pointing out my spelling errors when ever he doesn’t like what I say. I’ll stop now. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/777 "2010-04-27T03:54:08Z")
Ah. I hadn’t been aware of that. That said, you’ve got a lot more to lose, credibility-wise, than he does. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/778 "2010-04-27T03:57:51Z")
Hell, you got that! ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/779 "2010-04-27T04:05:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Uh, I believe I’ve posted quite a bit about problems with UHC in Canada, complete with statements by Canadian health care officials and articles about cut backs or elimination of certain types of urgent care because there aren’t the funds or facilities needed to provide them, and of one particular Canadian official who drew quite a bit of press because he flew to the U.S. for his own treatment. You should read up on that, quite touching ([Danny Williams](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Williams_%28politician%29)). I find it funny that a Canadian can get surgery in Florida, but Mrs Smith can’t (well, she did after the government stepped in to save her). Which sounds to me like Canadians have access to better health care than Americans. Or as I said earlier, rich Canadians have the same health care as rich Americans. Average Canadians have the same health care as Average Americans. Poor Canadians have dramatically better health care than poor Americans. I also mentioned earlier, that the Canadian and provincial governments are working hard to fix all of the problems that you are aware of and many more. Which is actually quite easy since Canada has a balanced budget, and prefers to buy our military equipment “gently used.” ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/780 "2010-04-27T04:09:33Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > That’s because William Shatner is a Canadian. And for the sci/fi geeks out there, I just learned that both [Nathan Fillion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Fillion) and [Jewel Staite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Staite) are too. But because of our mediocre single-payer film industry they left Canada in search of riches to the south. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=40)