# Sarah Palin proven right! Government tricks beautiful young mom; imposes 1st Death Panel Verdict **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888 "2010-04-12T22:18:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/961 "2010-04-30T13:26:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So argue with what I’m saying all you want but get off the old guy shit, okay? If we were having this conversation 20 or 30 years ago you’d find I was even more critical of liberalism and its goals and impact than I am now. Sure, but then we could have dismissed your opinions because you were “too young.” You know, the way you dismissed everyone else’s opinion because they were too young. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/962 "2010-04-30T13:35:23Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=561496) is someone posting about Muzac. Which is neither a liberal, nor conservative, nor politic. Posts 4 and 5 are directly insulting to him. Uhh, as the author of [post 4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12400998&postcount=4), I just gotta say 😕 _Huh?_ 😕😕 What’s insulting about probing for more information before I suggest that he try dealing with the issue by listening to his own music instead? ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/963 "2010-04-30T14:03:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A specious argument if ever there was one. The fact remains that had the government either not revoked Smith’s Medicaid insurance or allowed her to cancel her son’s disability benefits and have her Medicaid coverage reinstated, the hospital would have proceeded with her operation. > > Yes, once Rush Limbaugh publicized her plight nationally and several Florida lawmakers jumped in, the government suddenly found a way to make her operation happen. Given that she would have been left to die if not for the considerable outside pressures brought to bear on her behalf, I’m at a loss as to why you seem to think this speaks well of the government. The actual fact remains that the HOSPITAL didn’t give a shit. It refused treatment, and wasn’t about to change. Why didn’t Rush encourage the hospital to wave their bullshit rules? This entire article is about how fucked up private hospitals are, but you CONTINUE to insist it’s about how government sucks. There are sooooooooooo many examples of how the government sucks, but you choose one that shoes the government is awesome, but then showed that private hospitals suck and can’t be trusted to do the right thing. You keep claiming government is inflexible and uncaring, but the article shows that the government was flexible and caring. Except the very same article shows that private hospitals are inflexible and uncaring–and sentenced her to death! You continue to use this article to try and scare people away from UHC, but it’s actually scaring people away from private health care. All you had to do some conclude post 97 with a mia culpa, and walk away. It’s precisely why we have the expression: When come back, bring an article of relevance to your topic. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/964 "2010-04-30T14:17:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You are correct that there was no trickery. However that ship sailed a long time ago and people haven’t been assailing me ever since because of the OP, but because of my view of government and my descriptions of how it works. You guys love government and want it to run everything. So when I post things that illuminate the realities of how government operates, you guys go into a snit because it threatens your view of a perfect world in which we all live in perfect, equal harmony - protected and provided for and cared for by our loving, benevolent government. See, you are being stupid again. Your views of how government works is factually incorrect. This article proves that you are factually incorrect. Then you mischaracterize the liberal view by suggesting that they are stupid, and that they want government to “run everything.” You failed to post anything to illuminate the realities of how government operates. You posted an article that showed government is the only one that would provide this woman with health care. And you posted and article that showed PRIVATE hospitals are uncaring, inflexible, behemoths that make medical decisions on a cost-benefit analysis. You failed, and instead of realizing article contradicts everything you believe, you are still here on page 20 trying to suggest otherwise. You’ve also tried desperately to convince Canadians living in the US that you know what you’re talking about, but they don’t. You tried to suggest that we’re brainwashed, and you’re not. But you’ve got multiple Canadians, living in the US, telling you that health care in Canada is pretty freakin good. And that shit shit doesn’t happen under a single payer system. You are sticking to the time honour tradition to blurting out conservative talking points and blah blah blah You really should read through your characterization of “liberals.” The way you lump them into a homogeneous group and then dismiss their views outright. It says a lot about your character, and taints all of your posts. Which is why you get shit on. Your entire OP was a “fuck you liberals.” ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/965 "2010-04-30T14:27:17Z")
Let’s look back at the OP that started this all, and ask ourselves, “why would liberals attack you.” > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Here’s an example](http://cbs4.com/local/Diana.Smith.Woman.2.1623788.html) of the kind of loving, benevolent care we are in for once the government gains control of our health care. So you started off with a sarcastic comment, alluded to the notion that “government will gain control,” and linked to an article that actually shows that the government saved a woman’s life while a hospital left her to die. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Absolutely disgusting and worse than any critique **elucidator** has levelled at any evil insurance company at its very worst. So then you call out a liberal poster, calling this behaviour “disgusting.” Except, the behaviour was anything but disgusting, and the article actually shows a private hospital behaving disgusting. This article should have been posted by posted by **elucidator** , and he dropped the ball and has been appropriately punished. So your OP attacked a liberal poster, can you now see why other liberal posters might want to fight back? What ever you think happened in the past is irrelevant. You started a thread and attacked a liberal. That makes you an asshole. And assholes get fucked. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I don’t have the time at the moment, nor the ability to sufficiently contain my anger and disgust, to go into this further but it speaks for itself anyway. Well, it did speak for itself, but turns out it wasn’t saying what you thought. Had you waited until you were less busy, you might have realized this. Lesson here, slow down, take your time, don’t post when you’re angry. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is exactly the kind of shit that people know is gonna happen (only with a surprise portion of trickery) when the government gains control of our health care, and it’s precisely why Sarah Palin’s death panel warnings have resonated so strongly among the nation’s citizenry. Well, the article showed pretty clearly why we need government control, because without it the hospital would have let this woman die. You fucked up, and got called on it. Take this as a teachable moment. Slow down, think through your post, wait until you aren’t frothing at the mouth angry. Seriously, how hard is it to find examples of the government fucking up? It’s fucking up all the time, and you managed to find the ONE article showing the government saving a woman’s life, when a private hospital wrote her off as too much risk. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/966 "2010-04-30T14:36:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Uhh, as the author of [post 4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12400998&postcount=4), I just gotta say 😕 _Huh?_ 😕😕 > > What’s insulting about probing for more information before I suggest that he try dealing with the issue by listening to his own music instead? Sorry **kaylasdad99** , seemed a bit insulting to suggest to someone “don’t like the music, why don’t you wear earplugs!” Didn’t really come across as a genuine question, more snarky. Goes to show that essentially all comments made in the pit come across as snarky. I guess that’s the price we pay for posting in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/967 "2010-04-30T14:40:39Z")
No worries. JFTR, ear **buds** (not ear **plugs** ) are the business end of a set of earphones that can allow a person to discreetly listen to his mp3 player. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/968 "2010-04-30T14:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic > The private hospital refused the woman care via their death panel lawyers. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Starving Artist A specious argument if ever there was one. The fact remains that had the government either not revoked Smith’s Medicaid insurance or allowed her to cancel her son’s disability benefits and have her Medicaid coverage reinstated, the hospital would have proceeded with her operation. Why should the government have anything to do with a citizen trying to get service from a **Private** company like the hospital? The hospital is the one who caused the problem by refusing to take this woman’s money for her care. Why didn’t someone in the Bureaucracy of the hospital change the rules, or show a shred of compassion or decency? Is a private company incapable of making a decision like this? They caused the problem, they can fix it. The government followed all the rules. Granted,they were stupid rules, created by those who want to ration healthcare based on how much money you have. Again, if there was UHC, she would have gotten the care she needs. Your statement about people dying while waiting for care is factually incorrect. People in UHC countries wait for non-urgent care like knee replacements or tests. They dont die. That is why Canada has better health outcomes. Because our health care is better. And cheaper. And not because we’re magically less fat or more fit, or are “exceptional” in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/969 "2010-04-30T14:57:39Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve shown you “evidence” on occasion How unintentionally apropos that you put evidence in ironic quotes. Because that’s what you’ve shown us–“evidence.” Not \*real \*evidence, but more unsubstantiated bullshit of the type you like to dig up just because it agrees with your fossilized _Weltanschauung_. > [@emacknight](#): > > On further review, a lot of his incoherent ramblings appear to resemble dementia. That’s an insult to my friend \*\*Quasimodem \*\*and everyone else with dementia. As bad as I’ve ever seen him, \*\*Quasi \*\*is still leagues ahead of this backbirth. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And **Robot Arm** , the main problem I have with you in this thread is your habit of taking snippets of things I’ve said out of context and posting them one after another in an attempt to make it look like I’m being hypocritical or contradicting myself. Guyyyyyyyyyys, you can’t expect me to actually remember what I’ve said in the past and stay consistent! That’s not faaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir. Stop picking on meeeeeeeeeeeee. :‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’'( > [@Knorf](#): > > What’s a smipe? “Stick it in your pipe and smoke it” with the sounds swapped. He was trying to be clever again. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The fact is that when kids too young to handle the information get it anyway, it leads to things that most people would think shouldn’t happen. You know what, SA? You remind me of those anti-gay conservatives who say that if we legalize SSM, it will ruin heterosexual marriage, because straight people constantly have lustful thoughts about same-sex people! Er, why is that? Oh, yes, because \*they \*do. And they’re \*totally \*straight. The problem here is not _society_, **SA**. It’s _you_. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Woohoo, victory is mine! Hey, weren’t you paying attention? It’s not \*nice \*to point out where he keeps being a fucking hypocrite. A \*gentleman \*would just look the other way and ignore it. You know, like a fart. I think we’re supposed to just consider everything that comes out of **SA** ’s mouth to be so much fetid hot air. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You know, stupid people are not that common. If you think stupid people aren’t that common, you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/970 "2010-04-30T15:00:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > No worries. > > JFTR, ear **buds** (not ear **plugs** ) are the business end of a set of earphones that can allow a person to discreetly listen to his mp3 player. Oops, that’s totally my bad, I read it as earplugs. You have my full apologies. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/971 "2010-04-30T15:16:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Shall I look up the recent news article detailing multiple incidents of oral sex and other types of sexual misbehavior on the part of children _in a day care center_? Please do. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Gustav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gustav)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/972 "2010-04-30T15:18:33Z")
> [@emacknight](#): > > Oops, that’s totally my bad, I read it as earplugs. You have my full apologies. Noooo don’t apologize! You have to stick to your guns dude, this is worth 20 pages of drama easily if you just keep digging. Dammit! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/973 "2010-04-30T15:22:14Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > So - in summary SA gives the brain-dead a bad name. He’s an incompetent buffon with a room temp IQ, providing that room is in Iceland and the central heating isn’t on. 😃 Oh dear Og that is the funniest thing I have read all this week! Thank you, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/974 "2010-04-30T15:54:55Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > Please do. Thanks. You Fool! What have you done? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/975 "2010-04-30T16:11:40Z")
Oh c’mon, this will be awesome. **SA** ’s going to come back in seven hours, proudly displaying a chapter from _Brave New World_. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/976 "2010-04-30T16:19:27Z")
No skin off my nose, as I won’t be reading his posts. Well, a little bit of skin, as I tend to read other peoples’ responses, and SOME PEOPLE like to quote him (a LOT) in those responses. I’d just like for this thread to sink into the oblivion of the second page. Any lurkers who could be swayed to his position after what’s gone before are past help, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/977 "2010-04-30T16:22:43Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You Fool! What have you done? He’s asked for a story about oral sex. What’s the problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/978 "2010-04-30T18:33:42Z")
…and then Little Red Riding Hoodie pulled a .44 magnum out of her basket and said “Oh, no, Mr. Wolf, you’re gonna eat me just like its says in the story!” ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/979 "2010-04-30T19:45:10Z")
[Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12401843#post12401843) is a recent thread posting conservative opinions, where it took 8 posts before someone called him stupid. **SA** does this prove your point? Or do you see that as a reasonable case to call someone’s opinion stupid? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888/980 "2010-05-01T00:51:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s asked for a story about oral sex. What’s the problem with that? More to the point, he’s invited the OP to extend this misbegotten mess by another five pages. Think I’ll give the rest of this a miss. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-proven-right-government-tricks-beautiful-young-mom-imposes-1st-death-panel-verdict/535888.md?page=50)