Which is funny because I’m not even asking for data or studies or empirical evidence or charts or graphs. I’m looking for a single example from a reliable source that answers my question above. It’s too bad he can’t find even one example because it pretty much goes to the heart of everything he’s trying to argue
See? That’s just it. Starvin’ knows that whenever he craves attention all he needs do is cook-up one more of his dumbass OP’s and he’ll get it in spades.
Thus pardon me for saying so, but the blame for the length of inane threads like this one – and we’ve had tons that could be basically killed with one post – is hardly the Hungry One’s fault.
People get worked up over this, Staving Artist, because the views of people like you that have completely fucked up the rest of us over on health care.
Just about all of us are one lousy job loss or serious illness away from bankruptcy. We pay the most money in the world and all we get is a truly dysfunctional system as a result.
If we are furious it is because you keep getting corrected on this issue and yet you keep coming back to it with the same false information. We are sick and tired of it and of people like you and Sarah and Palin who have nothing to add to the debate but ignorance.
Please stop posting on this because your knowledge base is clearly woefully lacking. Go back to your little 50’s utopia that exists only in your brain where all the happy darkies didn’t bother the white folk, where there was no sex or violence or cursing and women were delighted to be second class citizens.
Just go.
Or you could stay, keep posting and make my husband giggle every single time I read what you write out loud.
Well I for one am SHOCKED. SHOCKED, I say!
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Well done, descamisado. Be the better man.
Well, to be fair, it’s not that much of a stretch.
I have said nothing, and will never say anything, as stupid, wrong and utterly ignorant of reality as this.
I think you may be flattering yourself, but it’s nice to see that at least you aspire to avoid the very uttermost depths of stupidity.
A.) I really wish people would stop using the quote feature on this guy (and no, I’m not going to install Firefox, especially on a public computer, just so I can have a super-duper “Ignore” function on my internets).
B.) I really don’t see why the master of the cartoonish, caricaturing generalization should object so strenuously to having his own posted opinions treated in a similar fashion.
It has nothing to do with aspirations. It’s simply an impossibility.
Look, this isn’t rocket surgery. This woman, by virtue of a government snafu, had her Medicaid coverage dropped virtually on the eve of the life-saving surgery she had spent six months undergoing chemo and raising funds in order to have. And then when she explained tothe government what had happened and asked to cancel the benefits that were causing the problem, the government blew her off, saying it was “too late”.
It’s an episode that illustrates almost perfectly the complaints I’ve been airing about government-run programs. The government doesn’t care! It’s hidebound, inflexible, provides no room for adjustment or backtracking on an individual case, and is not only perfectly capable of making decisions that will result in the supplicant’s death, it will do so virtually automatically, as was the case here.
Once people like most of the UHC proponents around here manage to get single-payer health care into effect, people will be denied life-saving coverage by the government. For it not to do so would be impossible. Do you think the government is going to spend $10,000,000 keeping an 80-year-old person alive when it, like virtually every other UHC country in the world, already lacks the funds needed to provide health care it has promised for everyone else. Rationing of some sort exists in every health care system in the world. In fact, rationing of some sort occurs in everything. I don’t know of anything that is unlimited, do you?
The fact of the matter is that now, 85% of the population is satisfied with the insurance coverage they already have. It provides them with excellent care, immediately delivered. And under the free market system they have other options should they feel their current coverage is lacking. They can go to another company, they can find another job, they can pay for it themselves. Of the remaining 15% who don’t have coverage, the vast majority don’t currently require coverage.
Lavender Blue claims we pay more for our health care than anywhere else in the world. Well, apart from the fact that this makes sense since we deliver health care services, options and treatments that for the most part better than anywhere else in the world. So it makes sense that it would cost more. It takes money to develop and deliver the kind of care we have today, much of which would have been considered miraculous only a few decades ago.
And then we have the fact that under the new law, and/or under single-payer, millions of people will be forced to pay for health care coverage whether they want or need it to begin with, with most of the young likely paying hundreds a month for decades before they ever need it for anything serious. Tell these people that they’ll be paying less for health care under UHC and they’ll quite understandably laugh in your face. You can’t legitimately add up all the health care costs delivered by what by most measures would be considered the best in the world and then apply it to everyone and claim that that is what it’s costing them for health care. The fact of the matter is that health care here is costing what it costs only to the people or programs who are paying for it and no one else.
But liberals, in their never-ending quest to level the playing field and eliminate all the highs and lows and make everything “fair”, seek to institute government run and financed care that will deliver mediocre service to everyone, despite the fact that it will only make things better for the small percentage of the 15% not currently covered who might happen to need it, or to free them from the “worry” of bankruptcy. Well, I’m sorry but I’m not all that willing to see millions of Americans forced to pay hundreds a month for care they don’t need or want and to put my and my family’s health care in the hands in the hands of an underfunded, uncaring government bureaucracy and suffer what is by today’s standards substandard care, so three or four people out of a hundred can have access to health care they don’t currently have and are apparently unable or unwilling to get for themselves and so other people don’t have to “worry” about bankruptcy.
I would have no problem with a government-backed insurance or single-payer system for people who want to participate in it. But in typical fashion, this isn’t good enough from the liberal perspective. No, they want to make everything “fair”. They don’t want to have to think that someone, somewhere, is getting better care than someone else because they have MONEY! Especially since that money could be going to pay for things for everybody else. And besides, it, as with most liberal schemes, requires the pocketbook of everyone else to make it work because it can’t support itself.
So you are perfectly happy to shoehorn everyone into an expensive, mediocre system run by an uncaring, unanswerable government bureaucracy, and I’m sorry but I’m just not willing to get on board. Come up with some way to care for the relatively few people who need urgent care but can’t get it and then I’ll support you.
As for more routine and less urgent care that people sometimes need, they can take out loans or get a part-time job to pay for the care they need or the insurance they want but feel they can’t afford (I say “feel” they can’t afford because most people still seem to be able to finance computers and widescreen TVs and furniture and new cars and…well, you get the picture. Most people can come up with the money for things if they really want to. And if they don’t happen to want to come up with the money they need in order to provide for their more minor heath care needs, I certainly don’t see why I and everyone else should.)
What? You post from a library or something? Or perhaps embezzling your wages by surfing the net instead of working at your job?
Nobody’s holding a gun to your head and making you read my posts, chum. Ironically, you yourself are personally responsible for the current SA posting style because it was your claim that the only way a person could possibly be conservative to begin with would be for them to be EVILLL through and through to begin with. True, you didn’t start the idea but you were one of its greatest proponents, and it was your post that broke the camel’s back and caused me to start posting about the innumerable ways that liberal philosphy and permissiveness have cost lost lives and misery and drug this country down the drain.
And besides, if you don’t have the discipline not to click on links where someone has quoted me, I don’t see why you should think it’s incumbent on everyone else to protect you fr…oh, wait, nevermind. I guess I do, too.
No doubt, further nonsense follows, but this stopped me in my tracks. What are you talking about? Where in the hell did you get that?
Starving Artist, by your very own admission 45,000 people die every single year in our country under a system administered largely by private industry under the grace and blessings of the Republicans.
Why are you so upset about someone, who did not fact die, yet apparently undisturbed at all by those you admit who do?
Those without are simply lazy and/or stupid, and don’t deserve to have it any better, and life is nasty, brutish and short anyway.
Calvinism and Hobbes.
I mean, if its cartoonish caricatures you want…
Because she’s beautiful, obviously.
Poor choice of words, apparently. I meant they don’t require it in the sense that most of those who are currently without health insurance don’t have ailments requiring it.
Because the one is due to the random vicissitudes of fate and the other is the result of deliberate denial by a government functionary. And because in my opinion far more than 45,000 will be dying each year due to inadequate or denied coverage once single-payer goes into effect. As I’ve said, no system is unlimited and there will have to be a point at which the government will determine that the cost of saving someone’s life isn’t worth the payoff. Being a conservative I realize that “shit happens” and that it’s an unavoidable part of life. Being denied coverage, or being forced to pay for and live under a system of substandard care, is not shit that just randomly happened but shit that was deliberately created, and therefore not inevitable nor unavoidable but the predictable result of human tampering. And I for one am more comfortable leaving things to the hands of fate than I am to the largesse, expense and administrative talents of the U.S. government and its liberal proponents.
Oh, yeah, say hello to your husband for me. 
That would be your typically distorted and dishonest way of portraying it, but it’s a portrayal that is nowhere near my actual beliefs or point of view.
However, as I said above, most people seem to be able to come up with money for the things they really want, so why can’t they come up with money to pay for doctor’s visits and medication or to have their broken arm put in a sling? And why shouldn’t they. There are lots of ways people can make relatively large amounts of money in a short time. Lawn mowing is but one example, in which an hour spent mowing a lawn will bring a return of $30 to $35 dollars. Assuming only seven weekly clients at even the $30 level, this would be $900 a month that could go toward health insurance or non-catastrophic health care. And there are lots of other ways that people can earn similar amounts in similar amounts of time. House cleaning, vet delivery of pets, pressure-washing, rain gutter or window cleaning, the list goes on and on and is virtually endless. The vast majority of people who need non-catastrophic health care but don’t have insurance could get it in this way. So, assuming they are able-bodied, why shouldn’t they? Why should everybody else have to pay hundreds of dollars a month to the government so that when little Johnny gets a boo-boo his parents don’t have to come up with the money to pay for his doctor visit and shot?
This is performance art, right?
Then why aren’t they? There’s UHC all over the world, with every concievable variety of demographics, culture, diet, you name it. If, as you say, this is the inevitable result of UHC, then how come they’re not dropping like flies?
They’re not, you do know that, right?
You see somebody mowing a lawn in a hospital gown while pulling along one of those wheeled IV units, you are seeing an impressive performance!