# Sarah Palin supports Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417 "2008-10-04T05:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/41 "2008-10-04T15:00:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Of course. But the stuff Obama doesn’t know about also bothers me. The difference between the two is that Obama will make the effort to educate himself, while Palin will only make the effort to memorize sound bites in an effort not to look stupid. A very Bush-like work ethic. In her role as governor and mayor, she repeatedly showed us that she has no interest in learning the intricacies of policy, and was only interested in furthering her own agendas. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/42 "2008-10-04T15:07:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Tax cuts for the rich while waging wars is far more ignorant than that. The repubs took our economy to its knees is 8 years. They absolutely do not deserve another chance. Especially when McCain is another spoiled and pampered rich kid ,who does not get it. The “economy” is nowhere near on its knees. Certain markets are having a tough time, but the real economy as a whole is chugging right along. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/43 "2008-10-04T15:08:51Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The difference between the two is that Obama will make the effort to educate himself, while Palin will only make the effort to memorize sound bites in an effort not to look stupid. A very Bush-like work ethic. In her role as governor and mayor, she repeatedly showed us that she has no interest in learning the intricacies of policy, and was only interested in furthering her own agendas. I don’t agree. Obama has a very leftist POV, which I very much doubt could be educated away during his presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/44 "2008-10-04T15:10:32Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > And I wouldn’t give you half a turd for any of the RW bullshit you’ve spat out here since you joined. > > Guess you best stick to making money – till the Big Bad Muslim, Obama, comes to take it away. > > Imbecile. Thanks for you input. And I don’t think Obama is a Muslim. Also, it’s not “RW bullshit,” it’s called the way the world works. I can’t help it if reality has a RW bias (on economic issues). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/45 "2008-10-04T15:15:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t agree. Obama has a very leftist POV, which I very much doubt could be educated away during his presidency. What the hell is that supposed to mean? For one thing, Obama is a pragmatist, not an idealogue (one of the reasons the right has had so much difficulty getting any traction against Obama is that they keep trying to hang tags on him that don’t resonate with any authenticity. “He’s a radical!” “He’s a racist!” “He’s a LIBERAL!” “He’s a Muslim!” He hates America!" Labelling only works if there’s a core of truth underneath it), for another thing, you need to learn the difference between disagreement and ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/46 "2008-10-04T15:21:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Also, it’s not “RW bullshit,” it’s called the way the world works. I can’t help it if reality has a RW bias (on economic issues). Not for too much longer, if projections bear out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/47 "2008-10-04T15:31:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 😛 OK dude. Lots of people pay my firm over $500 an hour for my opinion on U.S. federal income tax matters, so your statement is demonstrably incorrect. Most Esteeming Sir: I am having for you a most fructuous and felicitous opportunity for the business! My late father was the Fiscal Fiduciary for the Republic of Gwandaloon, and left an estate of over G1,000,000! Unfortunably, this is not to being accessible to me… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/48 "2008-10-04T15:36:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Most Esteeming Sir: > > I am having for you a most fructuous and felicitous opportunity for the business! My late father was the Fiscal Fiduciary for the Republic of Gwandaloon, and left an estate of over G1,000,000! Unfortunably, this is not to being accessible to me… 😛 That sound I hear must be my ship coming in! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/49 "2008-10-04T15:39:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The “economy” is nowhere near on its knees. Certain markets are having a tough time, but the real economy as a whole is chugging right along. And I’m certain that _some_ “certain markets” that can afford $500 an hour tax advice might be 'chugging right along", but that has no bearing on the real economy the rest of us are suffering through. ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/50 "2008-10-04T15:57:15Z")
Sweet…Rand says the economy is OK…we’re all going to be fine! Interesting how pretty much any major prominent economist says this could approach great depression problems if things don’t turn around. My employer is actually doing fairly well right now. We’re increasing business (partly because some of our competition is going out of business). By no means do I think that means we’re all good. I’m hoping that we are able to rectify things and prove Rand right…but most economists don’t think it’ll be that easy. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/51 "2008-10-04T15:59:38Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Of course. But the stuff Obama doesn’t know about also bothers me. You gave economics as your example — specifically calling a tax cut for us a “handout to the poor”. For one thing, we’re not poor. At least not anymore. My wife and I are not wealthy, but we’re not in debt except for our mortgage. We own two good cars that we saved for to buy, we have retirement accounts, and we have enough emergency money saved to get us through an entire year at our current standard of living if necessary. But of course, you didn’t know all that. One big difference between Obama and McCain is that Obama seeks the advice of economists of all backgrounds, and from a wide variety of schools. He may not have in-depth knowledge of any particular school, but he is a man well armed with resources. I suppose that if you’re predisposed against him, you can find fault even with those facts. But speaking for myself, as a very strict Austrian, I trust him with the economy lightyears beyond how much I trust McCain. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/52 "2008-10-04T16:06:44Z")
[QUOTE=Rand Rover] Also, it’s not “RW bullshit,” it’s called the way the world works. I can’t help it if reality has a RW bias (on economic issues). [/QUOTE] Borrow and borrow and _borrow_ like a drunk but still rail righteously against taxes? Because “reality” knows borrowed money is like, almost as good as _free_! It works so cool, it’s _government_, no bill even in the mail every month you have to hide. Then howl and bloviate like a muthafuck about cutting taxes, starving the evil, bloated beast that is government while–this is the really neat part–actually _being_ the government! It’s widely noticed how well corporate welfare has worked out. Uncle Sugar, okay, taxpayers ride to rescue of hideously mismanaged corporations. But Wall Street ain’t raining defenestrating CEOs in this meltdown because hey, golden parachutes are a RW cultural entitlement, baby. Government is the PROBLEM in business, not the solution. Well, until huge amounts of cash are needed, then taxpayers are expected to meekly pay up. It’s an investment in _business_ (cue choir of heavenly trumpets) instead of throwing money away on shiftless parasites. I love the sweaty Righteous Greed faction of the right wing. They’re so 80s. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/53 "2008-10-04T16:15:17Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > …accept that she’s a Dumb Fuckin’ Bitch and accept it… I dont know if those are the exact words I’d use, but the thought…well…it pretty much sums up Sarah’s qualifications for public office. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/54 "2008-10-04T16:21:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I can’t help it if reality has a RW bias (on economic issues). Getting back on the topic of ignorance, have you read a newspaper in the last few weeks? Your party has gotten into a mess you can’t spin your way out of. Even your standard bearer is suddenly talking about “greed and corruption on Wall Street,” like a strident lefty college kid. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/55 "2008-10-04T16:24:38Z")
The People’s Republic Party is the relentless enemy of the running dog jackals of Wall Street! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/56 "2008-10-04T16:27:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t agree. Obama has a very leftist POV, which I very much doubt could be educated away during his presidency. So the conclusion to that train of thought is that those on the right can be educated and those on the left can’t? That’s your argument? That a Harvard-educated man is incapable of learning, but a backwater fundie can easily master all subjects? I have to assume from your weak argument that you’re being deliberately obtuse, because if that’s what you truly believe, your company is in a world of shit. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/57 "2008-10-04T16:36:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t agree. Obama has a very leftist POV, which I very much doubt could be educated away during his presidency. WTF are you on and where can I get some? Obama is a “lefty” 😕 In your mind’s eye, maybe. Must some of that $500.00 an hour shit you’ve been bragging about by the looks of it. Makes you waay paranoid as is obvious. And rather incoherent. A standout Harvard man can’t be “educated”…yep, sure. And monkeys are flying outta my ass during this very post. Of course if you really meant “indoctrinated into buying RW economic BS” then you’d be correct. Oh yeah about your “facts have a RW bias”? I agree, if only when seen from your [perspective](http://smartmortgageadvice.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/head-up-ass.jpg). Meanwhile, back in the Real World: [**Sputtering US economy loses 159,000 jobs**](http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQxjftPsYvMSWoCL7LEqNOvS2Krw) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/58 "2008-10-04T16:42:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > 😛 That sound I hear must be my ship coming in! _…ping…ping…ping…_ “Range?” “One five double-o, Captain” “Open outer doors on tubes three and four…” _…ping…ping…ping…_ ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/59 "2008-10-04T17:07:18Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] rspective. Meanwhile, back in the Real World: [**Sputtering US economy loses 159,000 jobs**](http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQxjftPsYvMSWoCL7LEqNOvS2Krw) [/QUOTE] Let me straighten out jargon here for a minute, RedFury…okay, set: [channels Rand Rover] It’s just a necessary paradigm shift. Downsizing 159,000 jobs keeps business lean and competitive. Shed the dead weight! The market (ahem) The Market can only work when it regulates itself. ::nudges, whispers confidentially:: Those 159,000 jobless? Losers. If they’d been valuable they’d still have jobs. Now they’ll all go around crying and whining. Fucking Poor People. You don’t see me out of a job, do you? $500 an hour in my firm, baybee! Because everything sacred in The American Way of Life boils down to one thing, son: if I’m okay, fuck everything else. Simple for an ‘ultimate good’ but hey, it works when the damned government doesn’t interfere. [/Rand Rover] ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/60 "2008-10-04T17:07:19Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The “economy” is nowhere near on its knees. Certain markets are having a tough time, but the real economy as a whole is chugging right along. And you base that keen analysis on what: McCain and Bush saying it’s so? We’re in a recession that is gaining steam, over 3/4 of a million jobs have been lost in the last nine months, and California is nearly broke and considering asking for a federal loan. _California_: probably the most economically diverse state in the union, and it’s going broke. California used to have an economy that ranked higher than most nations, now gone begging. The Republicans have gotten it wrong: free markets without any controls are a disaster for everyone who isn’t rich. Republicans are responsible for the debacle, and yet they still cling to the disproven mantra that “the fundamentals are sound” so the lynch mobs won’t show up on the capitol steps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417.md?page=4)