# Sarah Palin supports Hamas **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417 "2008-10-04T05:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/141 "2008-10-05T23:25:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > As do you, you stupid motherfucker. DNFTT šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/142 "2008-10-05T23:30:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I can relate, Iā€™m a recovered Randpire. Youā€™ve got to be shitting us, YOU, **'luci**? I donā€™t believe it. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/143 "2008-10-05T23:34:13Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > You didnā€™t even bother to read the link, did you? You know, the one I cited, that surveyed economists about the relative soundness of Obamaā€™s economic platform vs. McCainā€™s. All you want to do is whine about all the leftists on the SDMB. I read that link long before you posted in this thread. I find it unpersuasive given Obamaā€™s stated plans You do realize that this: > [@](#): > > Nobody _but you_ is talking about robbing the rich to give to fat, lazy welfare leeches. That argument, so charmingly black and white, resides entirely in your head. Stop the hell shoving it onto others, including me. is entirely incorrect. One part of Obamaā€™s plans is to increase taxes for the rich to make cash handouts to the poor. So itā€™s not just my fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/144 "2008-10-05T23:37:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey, a little compassion here! Its pretty clear our new friend is suffering from full-blown Objectivism. I mean, you donā€™t hate Tom Cruise for his Scientology, do you? OK, maybe thatā€™s not the best choiceā€¦ > > I can relate, Iā€™m a recovered Randpire. I shudder the think of the extensive chemotherapy I had to undergo to free me of its cold and squamous grip. So Iā€™m kinda obligated to help a brother out, pull his coat over to the First Step, you file me? > > Besides, there are rather few really stupid Objectivist, its an affliction visited mostly on the cerebrally overburdened, the kind of people who think smart is a virtue rather than merely a characteristic. And they donā€™t need God to tell them if theyā€™re better people, they\* know \*theyā€™re better people, because its obvious on the face of it. Though you have to be smart to see that. > > But stupid, no, no fair. Its a malignancy more common to Mensa than the Elks Club. I donā€™t know that Iā€™m a better person (because I donā€™t know what that means). But I do know that the best way to set up society for the benefit of everybody is to make sure I get more stuff than other people (because Iā€™m able to and do contribute more to society). Other people are better able to (and do) contribute mor than me, and they have more stuff than me. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/145 "2008-10-05T23:40:29Z")
You know **Rand Rover** , weā€™re here to fight ignorance. Just because you feel that something is true, does not make it so. Hereā€™s a graphic presentation of the 2 candidates tax plans: > **[Obama and McCain Tax Proposals - washingtonpost.com](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html)** > > According to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American... Obama raises taxes on the $600,000+ set. Those at ~$226,000 and below get a tax cut: those at the top of that range receive higher cuts in absolute terms than those at the bottom (though by percentage it differs). For those under ~$110,000, Obama delivers a higher tax cut than McCain. ā€œHe keeps changing itā€ is hogwash of course. This is from a July 2008 analysis. Under the McCain plan, the employer deduction for heath benefits will be eliminated. He will encourage individual plans with his $5000 tax credit, which will not be indexed for health care inflation. AFAIK, there is no attempt to address insurance company efforts to turn away the unhealthy or those with pre-existing conditions. **Guinastasia** : Actually, lots of guys were Rand-fans when they were 14. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/146 "2008-10-05T23:58:07Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > **Guinastasia** : Actually, lots of guys were Rand-fans when they were 14. Which hopefully, is **Rand Rover** ā€™s actual age, and heā€™s bullshitting us when he claims to be in his thirties, working as a finance lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/147 "2008-10-06T00:27:52Z")
> [@Claptree](#): > > What I found ā€œquite interestingā€ was that even in that interview with Fox, she failed to bring her points, if there even are any, across. She claimed to want to talk about what she would bring and what values she holds, but instead attacked Obama. > > I would have liked to hear her actually talk about something relevant, and found her failure to do so interesting. Perhaps ā€˜tellingā€™ would have been a better word? Yes telling would have been a better word but in fairness the dry word on a message board lacks nuance. It seems I mistook your meaning and though I didnā€™t intentionally attack you, I apologize for any hard feelings I may have caused. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/148 "2008-10-06T00:31:32Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > You know **Rand Rover** , weā€™re here to fight ignorance. Just because you feel that something is true, does not make it so. > > Hereā€™s a graphic presentation of the 2 candidates tax plans: > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html) > > Obama raises taxes on the $600,000+ set. Those at ~$226,000 and below get a tax cut: those at the top of that range receive higher cuts in absolute terms than those at the bottom (though by percentage it differs). > > For those under ~$110,000, Obama delivers a higher tax cut than McCain. > ā€œHe keeps changing itā€ is hogwash of course. This is from a July 2008 analysis. > Under the McCain plan, the employer deduction for heath benefits will be eliminated. He will encourage individual plans with his $5000 tax credit, which will not be indexed for health care inflation. AFAIK, there is no attempt to address insurance company efforts to turn away the unhealthy or those with pre-existing conditions. > **Guinastasia** : Actually, lots of guys were Rand-fans when they were 14. Yes, of course Iā€™ve seen that. It considers only income taxes and not employment taxes. And the ā€œtax cutā€ for most of the people at the bottom is actually a cash payment from the government, not a reduction in the taxes they pay to the government. And this is the third iteration of this plan, so he started off alot worse than this. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/149 "2008-10-06T00:34:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Which hopefully, is **Rand Rover** ā€™s actual age, and heā€™s bullshitting us when he claims to be in his thirties, working as a finance lawyer. Iā€™m a tax lawyer. And my views are not really all that controversial (Iā€™d bet at least 75% of the other lawyers I work with would not think anything Iā€™ve said here on the Dope is controversial. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/150 "2008-10-06T00:38:54Z")
I never said it was controversial. I said it was stupid. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/151 "2008-10-06T00:43:09Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Iā€™m a tax lawyer. And my views are not really all that controversial (Iā€™d bet at least 75% of the other lawyers I work with would not think anything Iā€™ve said here on the Dope is controversial. But I bet they know how to close a parenthetical remarkā€¦ (Many of us lawyers donā€™t throw the fact of being a lawyer around to try to bolster our arguments, because itā€™s just dumb). ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/152 "2008-10-06T00:50:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > It considers only income taxes and not employment taxes. Which employment taxes (SS, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, city/county commuter taxes) are relevant to this discussion? How do you believe these taxes are affected by Obamaā€™s stance on income tax? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/153 "2008-10-06T01:13:19Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > ā€¦(Many of us lawyers donā€™t throw the fact of being a lawyer around to try to bolster our arguments, because itā€™s just dumb). \*Another \*damn lawyer on the Boards!? What is that now, six? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/154 "2008-10-06T01:33:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > \*Another \*damn lawyer on the Boards!? What is that now, six? But Iā€™m stupid so I donā€™t really count. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/155 "2008-10-06T01:43:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > With all of the skill of a two-year-old on a Pixi-Stix bender. Ayn Rand couldnā€™t find the point on a knitting needle. Something I said the other day to a friend re-reading The Fountainhead. Ayn wrote in the same style as the Soviet propagandists painted. Heroic realism? Socialist realism? [![](http://bp2.blogger.com/_NzHG4HjtdwI/R1cGLjq76YI/AAAAAAAAAYo/1pux1S_JjO4/s1600-h/Na_oboronu.jpg) ](http://bp2.blogger.com/_NzHG4HjtdwI/R1cGLjq76YI/AAAAAAAAAYo/1pux1S_JjO4/s1600-h/Na_oboronu.jpg) (From [http://sovietposter.blogspot.com/](http://sovietposter.blogspot.com/) ) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/156 "2008-10-06T01:57:21Z")
Pretty much. (At LEAST TFH was entertaining, even if the philosophy was bullshit. AS sucked donkeyballs.) Of course, someone should have pointed out to Ms Ayn that Russia wasnā€™t exactly Land of the Free before the Soviets came in (well, unless you want to get technical and count the Kerenskyists). ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/157 "2008-10-06T02:08:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > \*Another \*damn lawyer on the Boards!? What is that now, six? I woul bet considerably more than that. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/158 "2008-10-06T02:18:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Iā€™m a tax lawyer. And my views are not really all that controversial (Iā€™d bet at least 75% of the other lawyers I work with would not think anything Iā€™ve said here on the Dope is controversial. You mean other people charging $500 an hour donā€™t like a Democratā€™s tax plan either? Iā€™m floored. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/159 "2008-10-06T02:44:27Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > (Many of us lawyers donā€™t throw the fact of being a lawyer around to try to bolster our arguments, because itā€™s just dumb). When have I ever done that? Quote the post where Iā€™ve done that or show yourself to be a liar (which is the worst thing possible on the SDMB, Bill Clinton excepted). ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417/160 "2008-10-06T02:52:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > When have I ever done that? > > Quote the post where Iā€™ve done that or show yourself to be a liar (which is the worst thing possible on the SDMB, Bill Clinton excepted). you donā€™t even know what you posted? Here is a hint, the part where you said it was quoted in the post you responded to. If you need another hint look at your post #149. Or the post where you bragged about how much you allegedly bill. Are you really this stupid or do you just play a stupid person on the net? I blame any typos on the fact that Iā€™m posting on an iPhone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-supports-hamas/466417.md?page=9)