# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/381 "2011-01-12T15:29:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You have used up your **Crikey!** quota for the day. **Blimey!** is a suitable alternative, as is **Odds Bodkins!** Please mind your interjections. Crikey, you guys are too easy to lead around by the nose. I have told you repeatedly that I am hoping that you insult me and post pointless posts to make a point about liberal hypocrisy regarding their call for kinder discourse and you so readily comply. 🆒 It’s an interesting study, not only in the hypocrisy of the liberals but their eagerness to engage in unkind discourse, even as they accuse others of unkind discourse. Hmmmm! What do you think that type of hypocrisy suggests? ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/382 "2011-01-12T15:30:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Dude, you’re in the Bar-B-Q Pit, rude language is expected. Now put your monacle back in and man up. > > And what does Fox News have to do with what birthers think? Oh right, cuz the FNC speaks for the Republican Party, anyone that believes anything outside of their proclamations isn’t “on message.” Do you have any facts to support your assumption? I am betting you do not. 🆒 BTW: Blimey bloke, I can not man up dude, nor do I want to. I am a woman. But I invite you to insult me some more, anyway. That’s the point! :p:) And you are doing so well for me. FYI: It’s monocle not monacle. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/383 "2011-01-12T15:31:31Z")
[Quote=MoGlow] Also, FYI, for those prone to making assumptions. I have no opinion yay or nay regarding Palin. Maybe she would make a could POTUS, maybe not. She hasn’t yet had the chance to try and then screw up. I will make my decision about her if and when she actually becomes POTUS. [/Quote] Sorry, I’m really not interested in getting involved with the feces-flinging, but I just want to make sure I read this correctly. You are saying, after presumably having seen quite a lot of Palin’s speechmaking,writings and interview responses, that you still have no earthly idea whether or not she’d make a competent President? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/384 "2011-01-12T15:31:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Funniest thing I’ve read so far this year! Thanks for lightening the mood! This is why I think **Mowgli** is an adolescent who just recently discovered messageboards and Google. Heaven help us when he discovers Ayn Rand. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/385 "2011-01-12T15:32:19Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Lack of insight is a sign of serious psychological pathology. Really? Of which serious psychological pathology, or psychopathology as we typically call it, is it a sign? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/386 "2011-01-12T15:32:54Z")
Fox News has denounced the birther claims? What planet do _you_ live on? > [@](#): > > Really? Of which serious psychological pathology, or psychopathology as we typically call it, is it a sign? Conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/387 "2011-01-12T15:33:18Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I just have two questions for those defending Sarah here: > > 1. Do you believe that Sarah Palin, in order to target specific individuals, put crosshairs on her website? > > 2. Do you feel that Sarah Palin’s reaction and response to this tragedy was appropriate? > > That’s it. Two simple questions. Feel free to elaborate however you wish, but yes or no to each question will suffice. 1. Yes. 2. No. You know what she and her machine is? They are Fred Phelps in classier business attire. Hiding _just_ on this side of completely immoral, illegal and inhumane does not make her and her machine ( note that I include the puppetmasters as well as the puppet ) any more moral, legal or humane. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/388 "2011-01-12T15:33:30Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > It’s best to not assume that one’s readers are psychic. I didn’t assume you were psychic. I used a very common term, and you assumed I made an elementary spelling error because you’re a pompous ass with an unearned superiority complex. > [@](#): > > I said quite clearly that people need to link to facts that support their opinions. And who cares what you think about it? Nobody’s doing this to impress you. You’ve already proved you’re a numbskull with your garbage about hypocrite dumbass liberals. You’ve done a poor job of supporting your own opinions with facts and you continue to whine about insults while dishing out your own. > [@](#): > > hypocritical rationalizations. This is another word you are using incorrectly. Explaining that two things are different is not hypocritical. It happens in discussion. > [@](#): > > So you are seriously saying that because Obama’s words are not violent rhetoric? No, his rhetoric is not violent in general. “I am angry” is not violent, and the comment about kicking ass was a figure of speech. Some of the comments Republicans are being criticized for were also figures of speech, but some weren’t. > [@MoGlow](#): > > Actually, Fox News, has denounced the birther claims. I didn’t say anything about Fox. I said a lot of people believe the birther nonsense, and unfortunately, a lot of people do. (Of course Fox did more than a little work in perpetuating that stupidity, but they had a lot of help.) This is textbook bad arguing. > [@](#): > > Fox News, BTW, in case you are not aware, has the highest viewer and profit rating of any mainstream or cable news station. I am aware. I don’t care because I don’t watch the news on TV. What does this have to do with what I was saying? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/389 "2011-01-12T15:34:02Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Do you have any facts to support your assumption? > > I am betting you do not. 🆒 Uh, yeah. Look at the top of the forum, it says BBQ Pit. That’s where you are right now. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/390 "2011-01-12T15:36:08Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Actually, Fox News, has denounced the birther claims. They actually found a newspaper announcement of Obama’s birth. Which the rest of the civilized world knew in 2008. You make it sound like Fox did some impartial investigative reporting. You’re such a riot! ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/391 "2011-01-12T15:36:10Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Really? Of which serious psychological pathology, or psychopathology as we typically call it, is it a sign? Google is your friend, my friend. You been hanging out in your parent’s basement to long. It’s time to fly from the nest, little bird. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/392 "2011-01-12T15:37:42Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Google is your friend, my friend. This is what’s known as “supporting your argument with facts.” ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/393 "2011-01-12T15:39:24Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Which the rest of the civilized world knew in 2008. You make it sound like Fox did some impartial investigative reporting. You’re such a riot! You are trying to divert attention form the issue. What does it matter when they denounced it? The fact is their is no vast right wing conspiracy claiming Obama is Kenyan citizen, except in little minds need to make false accusation. The majority opinion is that Obama is a failure as POTUS. Even Democrat who voted for him feel that way. That is not unkind discourse. It’s just a matter of stating the obvious. How’s that statement for my mice? Have at it. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/394 "2011-01-12T15:41:40Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Seldom seen: > > Do you not think that you might want to engage in the kinder discourse, free of pointless insults, that your leftist lib leaders are so hypocritically calling for, even as they engage in rude and pointless insults. > > Lack of insight is a sign of serious psychological pathology. Cripes man, I said you were talking sense…I was _agreeing_ with you. Seriously. Whadaya want…an egg in yer beer? SS ETA: Excuse me, Your profile says female…Cripes _Lady_, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/395 "2011-01-12T15:42:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is what’s known as “supporting your argument with facts.” I can only spend so much time educating the ignorant, and that issue is off topic. Do you really need to google it? It’s really psych 101! It’s very basic stuff, bloke. It’s not the same as making a false political accusation that can harm someone’s career. 🆒 That type of thing is considered libel and slander. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/396 "2011-01-12T15:43:06Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Google is your friend, my friend. > > You been hanging out in your parent’s basement to long. It’s time to fly from the nest, little bird. I actually have a fair amount of expertise in the study of psychopathology. So I’d be particularly grateful if you could provide me with a more clarifying cite (yes, cite) for your assertion than “Google says so.” Of which forms, types or processes of psychopathology is a lack of insight a particularly relevant or useful indicator? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/397 "2011-01-12T15:43:31Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > The fact is their is no vast right wing conspiracy claiming Obama is Kenyan citizen CNN poll: [27 percent of Americans and 41 percent of Republicans think Obama was likely not born in the U.S.](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40644.html) Nobody said this was a conspiracy, because calling a group of people with an opinion isn’t a conspiracy. That’s just stupid. Apparently **MoGlow** was just desperate to trot out that old Clinton chestnut. What I said was that a lot of people believe this idiocy, and 27 percent of the public is a lot of people. Considering how stupid the theory is, I’d say half or a third that many would be a lot. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/398 "2011-01-12T15:44:06Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Cripes man, I said you were talking sense…I was _agreeing_ with you. Seriously. Whadaya want…an egg in yer beer? > SS I want you to continue doing what you are doing, and you are so compliant. Of course you agreed with me, I assumed you would. Still, the insult was obvious. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/399 "2011-01-12T15:45:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > CNN poll: [27 percent of Americans and 41 percent of Republicans think Obama was likely not born in the U.S.](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40644.html) Nobody said this was a conspiracy, because calling a group of people with an opinion isn’t a conspiracy. That’s just stupid. Apparently **MoGlow** was just desperate to trot out that old Clinton chestnut. What I said was that a lot of people believe this idiocy, and 27 percent of the public is a lot of people. Considering how stupid the theory is, I’d say half or a third that many would be a lot. Are you serious. You link to a CNN poll? Give me a break, bloke. But I agree Clinton has a lot of old chestnuts. I thought that would make you happy. But, I see that nothing makes the libs happy. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/400 "2011-01-12T15:46:58Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > It’s an interesting study, not only in the hypocrisy of the liberals but their eagerness to engage in unkind discourse, even as they accuse others of unkind discourse. > > Hmmmm! What do you think that type of hypocrisy suggests? It suggests to me that you’re arguing against yourself, and I’m happy to see that you’re winning. Hint: you’re the only one that’s used the term “unkind discourse”. You’ve had to, to make your point, because it’s watered down enough to apply to the people you’re trying to attack. The OP, and the current controversy, isn’t over “unkind discourse”, it’s over specific, targeted (heh), explicitly violent imagery, hate stirring and fear mongering going on in our political theater right now. Which, while occasionally used by people some consider Leftist (as Left as Americans get, which isn’t very far), at the moment is placarded on our televisions night and day by members of the Right. I don’t particularly mind being accused of engaging in unkind discourse while shaming those (of whatever political party) who are using explicitly violet fear and hate speech. That just doesn’t seem hypocritical to me at all. If I have a scratch and I’m worrying about another guy’s gaping gut wound, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite, it makes me capable of discrimination and triage. > [@](#): > > I will make my decision about her if and when she actually becomes POTUS. I understand that, as a young person and a foreigner, this is your plan, and it’s not a bad one. I’m always a fan of not pre-juding people to be failures until they’ve gotten a chance to try. However, for we adult US citizen voters, it doesn’t work like that. We’ve got to use our observational skills to try to predict what sort of president a person will be long before they get into office - even before they officially announce they’re running. There have been enough clues - from Palin herself - that she’s considering a run in 2012, that we have to start thinking of her, scrutinizing her and treating her as if she were a candidate now, so we have lots of time and lots of experiences to consider when making our choice. And, frankly, I’m done. She doesn’t make even the first cut of the interviewing process, as it were, to get this job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=21)