# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/401 "2011-01-12T15:47:55Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I actually have a fair amount of expertise in the study of psychopathology. So I’d be particularly grateful if you could provide me with a more clarifying cite (yes, cite) for your assertion than “Google says so.” > > Of which forms, types or processes of psychopathology is a lack of insight a particularly relevant or useful indicator? If that claim is true. Which I seriously doubt. Than you would not need a link to verify that very basic knowledge. You would know it. The internet is a place where anyone can be anyone they want to be. I see you have taken advantage of that. I personally, am not a psychiatrist, and I do not even play one on TV. Do you? But again, that knowledge is very basic. Did you fail your courses? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/402 "2011-01-12T15:49:04Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Crikey! The palin derangement syndrome apparent in so many leftist libs is amazing. Deranged? Why? she said this > [@](#): > > The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. and > [@](#): > > “Yesterday President Obama responded to my statement that Democratic health care proposals would lead to rationed care; that the sick, the elderly and the disabled would suffer the most under such rationing; and that under such a system, these ‘unproductive’ members of society could face the prospect of government bureaucrats determining whether they deserve health care,” Palin wrote in a note on her Facebook page. [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26078.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26078.html) [http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php) As for being leftist. I’m a left of centre Euro which I suppose makes me a commie from a lot of the US’s POV. Maybe you think I’m deranged because I used “cunt”. I’m Irish, which means I use words like cunt quite a bit and it is way more used over here than in the US which is were I’m assuming you hail from. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/403 "2011-01-12T15:49:18Z")
> [@](#): > > The internet is a place where anyone can be anyone they want to be. I see you have taken advantage of that. I personally, am not a psychiatrist, and I do not even play one on TV. Do you? Then why don’t you shut up about psychiatry? Or, if you’re going to make silly claims, defend them. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/404 "2011-01-12T15:50:35Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I want you to continue doing what you are doing, and you are so compliant. 😛 Don’t assume to much. It was a one-time agreement on one small thing. I doubt it’ll become a habit. SS ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/405 "2011-01-12T15:51:50Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > She’s playing the victim card because for some fucking reason that is beyond comprehension the left are acting in a manner as tasteless and barrel scraping as her mob. > > A lunatic has shot some people. That’s a horrible thing, and there’s a lot of people who are now suffering because of it, and it should be treated with appropriate respect . Well, I find it hard to view the sniffy attempts at point scoring here as anything other than disrespectful to those hurt. Then again, that’s hardly a surprise. If there’s one thing my non-american arse has learnt from the years I’ve been kicking around this board it’s that both sides of American politics would really benefit from growing the fuck up and stopping in the constant attempts to use blame the other side for every fucking bad thing that occurs. It really is depressing. > > Is Palin a tasteless, vile harpy? Fucking right she is. Does that have anything to do with a nutter taking a gun to a group of people, supposedly because he felt slighted by a response to Gifford to him in 2007? The fuck it does. Grow up. Kumquat: Nobody gives a fast fly F&\*k what the Canadians think. You don’t get to vote for POTUS. I do not stick my nose in canadian politics because we have never been physically bombed by Canada. Do you not know that it is poor manners to insult other people and other countries as you just did. Stop being a hypocrite and so defensive. I own land in Canada. Personally, I am still not interested in sticking my nose into Canadian politics. Palin has nothing to do with you or your country. Why do YOU have Palin derangement syndrome? I think you need to think on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/406 "2011-01-12T15:52:28Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > When I first heard about this, I thought it was a lie. I didn’t think anybody could be so fucking cosmically stupid, partisan and hateful as to think Palin’s graphic is responsible. I don’t recall seeing, hearing or reading anyone claim that Palin’s graphic is “responsible” for this shooting. What we’re discussing is whether, amongst a vast amount of gun rhetoric coming from the Right, that graphic was _irresponsible_. I trust you can infer the difference. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/407 "2011-01-12T15:54:05Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Don’t assume to much. It was a one-time agreement on one small thing. I doubt it’ll become a habit. > SS It looks like it already has. You could not resist, could you? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/408 "2011-01-12T15:55:16Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Palin has nothing to do with you or your country. Why do YOU have Palin derangement syndrome? I think you need to think on that one. I take it you have never expressed an opinion on Saddam Hussein, then? ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/409 "2011-01-12T15:55:34Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I don’t recall seeing, hearing or reading anyone claim that Palin’s graphic is “responsible” for this shooting. What we’re discussing is whether, amongst a vast amount of gun rhetoric coming from the Right, that graphic was _irresponsible_. > > I trust you can infer the difference. Maybe if you got out of your parent’s basement more, you would be more savvy and informed. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/410 "2011-01-12T15:55:41Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I don’t recall seeing, hearing or reading anyone claim that Palin’s graphic is “responsible” for this shooting. Once I again I find myself asking: Did you read the title of the thread you’re posting in? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/411 "2011-01-12T15:57:00Z")
> [@Walmarticus](#): > > Let’s all stop using the word “gunsight”. > > [This](http://tinypic.com/r/s6807s/7) is a gunsight. The word you are looking for is “crosshair” or possibly “target”. The reason you are not using “crosshair” or “target” is because those words don’t always imply guns or violence. > > People want the crosshairs in question to imply guns or violence, so they start calling them “gunsights”. > > Lame. I googled Images: “target viewed through telescopic sight” and got 23900 hits in a very short time frame. Many of these hits simply showed long guns and pistols with a telescope mounted and not the actual view through the scope. Of those that did show the view of a target through a telescopic sight, I would guess easily 99% included cross hairs or reticules or what you will but they did not show what your cite showed. Since we were discussing the view shown on the infamous Palin target, I think my search term was valid. I have to admit that I didn’t google “target viewed through surveyor’s tools”. I will leave that for someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/412 "2011-01-12T15:57:29Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Are you serious. You link to a CNN poll? Yes, as a matter of fact. Do you think that poll is made up, and so are all the other polls that show a lot of people believe this tripe? Talking Points Memo poll (10/9): [38 percent of people say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/poll-on-obamas-birth-if-not-here-where.php) Sacramento Bee (1/10): [33 percent of people are not convinced he was born in the U.S.](http://www.sacbee.com/2010/01/26/2488785/field-poll-the-tea-party-movement.html#) ABC News/Washington Post (5/10): [23 percent say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. (and 9 percent say the U.S. is the ‘best guess’).](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004463-503544.html) Angus Reid poll (10/9): [30 percent of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the U.S.](http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/37362/obama_was_not_born_in_us_republicans_say/) (I admit I don’t know these guys.) ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/413 "2011-01-12T15:57:37Z")
From Palin’s statement today: “Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own,” she said. “They begin and end with the criminals who commit them.” That’s right sunshine. Why are we going after Bin Laden? He didn’t fly any planes. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/414 "2011-01-12T15:59:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I take it you have never expressed an opinion on Saddam Hussein, then? That question is to ignorant to answer. Has the U.S. ever threatened Canada in any way? Canada could not survive without the U.S. and their health care system is in a shambles. Desperate people come over the border to get cured by real doctors in the U.S. Yes those doctors want to earn money. But it is that sense of competitive edge that makes them strive to be better and better. Do you know that one can get an MRI for a dog in one day, but Canadian humans have to wait weeks to months. Learn some manners and top insulting other countries that have never provoked you country in any way. When Canada is attacked by fanatical Muslim extremists, I am sure the Canadians will be begging the U.S. for help. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/415 "2011-01-12T15:59:34Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > …Do you not know that it is poor manners to insult other people… This is the Pit. Get used to the insults. (Not that you won’t meet insults elsewhere; they will just be more subtle.) ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/416 "2011-01-12T16:00:09Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Kumquat: > > Do you not know that it is poor manners to insult other people and other countries as you just did. Palin has nothing to do with you or your country. The late Molly Ivins said of the Canadians; "Sharing space with us [U.S.] on the continent must be like having the [Simpsons](http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Simpsons_Wiki)for neighbors. I think Kumquat has every reason to be concerned. SS ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/417 "2011-01-12T16:01:12Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > From Palin’s statement today: > “Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own,” she said. “They begin and end with the criminals who commit them.” > > That’s right sunshine. Why are we going after Bin Laden? He didn’t fly any planes. Are you serious? Or just uninformed? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/418 "2011-01-12T16:02:44Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Kumquat: > > Nobody gives a fast fly F&\*k what the Canadians think. You don’t get to vote for POTUS. I do not stick my nose in canadian politics because we have never been physically bombed by Canada. > > Do you not know that it is poor manners to insult other people and other countries as you just did. Stop being a hypocrite and so defensive. I own land in Canada. Personally, I am still not interested in sticking my nose into Canadian politics. > > Palin has nothing to do with you or your country. Why do YOU have Palin derangement syndrome? I think you need to think on that one. He’s not from Canada. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/419 "2011-01-12T16:03:34Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > The late Molly Ivins said of the Canadians; "Sharing space with us [U.S.] on the continent must be like having the [Simpsons](http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Simpsons_Wiki)for neighbors. > > I think Kumquat has every reason to be concerned. > SS When I see you breaking down Canadian doors to become a citizen, or risking your life in raft the ocean to get to Canada to become a Canadian citizen, then I might take you more seriously. Trust me bro’ the leftist liberals would hate living in Canada. The Canadian officials would put the hammer down on your games, pronto. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/420 "2011-01-12T16:04:47Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > This is the Pit. Get used to the insults. (Not that you won’t meet insults elsewhere; they will just be more subtle.) Yes, I know it’s the pit. Get with the program and read the whole thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=22)