# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/421 "2011-01-12T16:06:50Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > That question is to ignorant to answer. You’re _too_ ignorant to answer it, you mean? > [@](#): > > Has the U.S. ever threatened Canada in any way? Canada could not survive without the U.S. and their health care system is in a shambles. Desperate people come over the border to get cured by real doctors in the U.S. Yes those doctors want to earn money. But it is that sense of competitive edge that makes them strive to be better and better. > > Do you know that one can get an MRI for a dog in one day, but Canadian humans have to wait weeks to months. > > Learn some manners and top insulting other countries that have never provoked you country in any way. > > When Canada is attacked by fanatical Muslim extremists, I am sure the Canadians will be begging the U.S. for help. What the fuck are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/422 "2011-01-12T16:08:54Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Crikey! The palin derangement syndrome apparent in so many leftist libs is amazing… Honestly, is there such a thing as a rightist liberal? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/423 "2011-01-12T16:09:15Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > From Palin’s statement today: > “Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own,” she said. “They begin and end with the criminals who commit them.” > > That’s right sunshine. Why are we going after Bin Laden? He didn’t fly any planes. I admit I did not watch the video all the way through. I did watch far enough to see/hear her say the above quote. It is a frightening mindset to promulgate. What went through my Jewish-raised head was " --cough-- Nazi Germany --cough-- ". She wants to be POTUS? And she just threw out the entire idea of " conspiracy to commit XXX " ? Whoa. You go grrl. Criminal acts stand on their own. That’s the Palin Way™. So if I am driving the get-away car and did not in fact shoot anyone that day in Tucson, but was just the driver, according to the Palin Way™, I walk. No culpability, no responsibility. Indeed, why are we going after Bin Laden? Why, best as we know he was on the other side of the world on Sept. 11th. I would say " whatta moron " but she isn’t one. She’s terribly dangerous. That makes her more worrisome than someone who clearly is just a moron in their public statements or actions. Yep, after 10 pages I stick by my O.P. She and her machine are not solely responsible for the Tucson shootings. They sure as hell are a responsible party. But according to her own words, nobody is responsible for anything except the person holding the smoking gun. If you listen to that clip and watch and think about what she is doing she’s laying the groundwork for separating herself and her (tea)party from any/all future assassinations and attempts. The more she repeats this particular phrase and idea, the more she’s distanced herself and her machine from any responsibility. She encourages her supporters to “reload”, etc in one breath and in the next breath denies any responsibility for the actions resulting from her stated position. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/424 "2011-01-12T16:09:46Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > The late Molly Ivins said of the Canadians; "Sharing space with us [U.S.] on the continent must be like having the [Simpsons](http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Simpsons_Wiki)for neighbors. > > I think Kumquat has every reason to be concerned. > SS > [@](#): > > Kumquat: > He’s not from Canada. Ooops :smack: ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/425 "2011-01-12T16:10:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, as a matter of fact. Do you think that poll is made up, and so are all the other polls that show a lot of people believe this tripe? > > Talking Points Memo poll (10/9): [38 percent of people say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/poll-on-obamas-birth-if-not-here-where.php) > > Sacramento Bee (1/10): [33 percent of people are not convinced he was born in the U.S.](http://www.sacbee.com/2010/01/26/2488785/field-poll-the-tea-party-movement.html#) > > ABC News/Washington Post (5/10): [23 percent say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. (and 9 percent say the U.S. is the ‘best guess’).](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004463-503544.html) > > Angus Reid poll (10/9): [30 percent of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the U.S.](http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/37362/obama_was_not_born_in_us_republicans_say/) (I admit I don’t know these guys.) Am I supposed to be swayed by your new left leaning links? We all know their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/426 "2011-01-12T16:12:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Fox News has denounced the birther claims? What planet do _you_ live on? To be fair, Beck, O’Reilly and most of their other talking heads have come out and said they believe Obama is a natural-born citizen. Of course, it’s not unusual that they’ll follow that up by saying something like “But why hasn’t he released his long form birth certificate, elementary school report cards, dental records etc.? Does he have something to hide?” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/427 "2011-01-12T16:13:04Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Am I supposed to be swayed by your new left leaning links? We all know their agenda. Yup. Those polls were all specifically commissioned to prove you wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/428 "2011-01-12T16:13:36Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > If that claim is true. Which I seriously doubt. Than you would not need a link to verify that very basic knowledge. You would know it. > > The internet is a place where anyone can be anyone they want to be. I see you have taken advantage of that. I personally, am not a psychiatrist, and I do not even play one on TV. Do you? But again, that knowledge is very basic. Did you fail your courses? You’re quite right that my claims to any expertise are, in this context, nothing more than claims. By the same token, your opinion of my credentials is also irrelevant. Nevertheless, if a cite for your assertion was so easily found, if the knowledge was so basic, it would seem that you would have already produced it. Given that you haven’t, it suggests to me that you were talking out of the top of your hat. Furthermore, a moment’s reflection should tell any sensible person that “lacking insight” is such a common condition that either nearly everyone suffers from “serious psychological pathology”, or conversely that it is so ubiquitous as to be a very poor discriminator of serious psychopathology. Regardless, I think this is a useful exercise because it illustrates that you are here to do nothing more than fling poo, largely in the form of bullshit assertions with no semblance to reality whatsoever. Enjoy your poo flinging. Not that it matters, I’m sure, but it has led me to conclude based on your short tenure here, that you are worthless (as a poster on this board, of course). As a side note, I’m not much given to Freudian psychodynamic theories myself, but I do find the construct of projection to be a useful one. With that in mind, I can’t help but take note of the fact that you’ve repeatedly and indiscriminately suggested that others here are posting from their parents’ basements, and are otherwise immature and ill-informed. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/429 "2011-01-12T16:16:14Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > You are trying to divert attention form the issue. > > What does it matter when they denounced it? The fact is their is no vast right wing conspiracy claiming Obama is Kenyan citizen, except in little minds need to make false accusation. > > The majority opinion is that Obama is a failure as POTUS. Even Democrat who voted for him feel that way. That is not unkind discourse. It’s just a matter of stating the obvious. > > How’s that statement for my mice? Have at it. Huh. I did not know that. I assumed the 53% approval rating meant that most people thought he was a success. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/430 "2011-01-12T16:18:14Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Am I supposed to be swayed by your new left leaning links? We all know their agenda. Which “we” are you talking about? Editorial we? Imperial we? You & your crabs? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/431 "2011-01-12T16:18:51Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Am I supposed to be swayed by your new left leaning links? We all know their agenda. Harris poll (3/10): [45 percent of Republicans say Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.](http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/201003250048) No, you’re right. It’s equally plausible that nobody believes this and five different organizations faked similar results because they thought it was funny. The issue has received extensive news coverage because everyone argees Obama is a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Nobody thinks Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/432 "2011-01-12T16:20:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Once I again I find myself asking: Did you read the title of the thread you’re posting in? Yes indeed, many of us have, and have come to the conclusion that while there is no bright line, legally binding, criminal responsibility on Palin’s part, she has indeed formed a significant part of the toxic political atmosphere, and has contributed to the violent rhetoric that is all too common among Republican office holders or candidates. While one cannot draw a direct cause/effect to the recent shooting, I think one can say that it is fair to look back at the violent imagery that we’ve seen over the past 2 years, and ask: “Is this what we want to see in the political arena going forward?” ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/433 "2011-01-12T16:21:15Z")
> [@](#): > > I admit I did not watch the video all the way through. I did watch far enough to see/hear her say the above quote. It is a frightening mindset to promulgate. What went through my Jewish-raised head was " --cough-- Nazi Germany --cough-- ". That’s how the jewish people were fooled by Hitler. Hitler was certainly and obviously in favor of more government control though his policy was more extreme than anything proposed by American progressives. Hitlers socialist policies enabled him to gain control of the people. If I were jewish, I would truly be more concerned about the present progressive agenda The progressives like Arianna Huffington, believe they are above the rules that the little people must abide by. Huffington was recently kicked off a plane because she think she is above the rules. [http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/01/11/arianna-huffington-in-airplane-blackberry-flap/](http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/01/11/arianna-huffington-in-airplane-blackberry-flap/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/434 "2011-01-12T16:22:48Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > As a side note, I’m not much given to Freudian psychodynamic theories myself, but I do find the construct of projection to be a useful one. With that in mind, I can’t help but take note of the fact that you’ve repeatedly and indiscriminately suggested that others here are posting from their parents’ basements, and are otherwise immature and ill-informed. Bingo. Try to ignore it people. Or laugh at it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/435 "2011-01-12T16:23:22Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Hitlers socialist policies enabled him to gain control of the people. If I were jewish, I would truly be more concerned about the present progressive agenda And Jews around the internet breathe a sigh of relief. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/436 "2011-01-12T16:24:09Z")
Did you even read that article? She wasn’t kicked off the plane, and she turned off her Blackberry when asked. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/437 "2011-01-12T16:27:11Z")
Palin accuses media and journalists of “manufacturing a blood libel”. Seriously. Plain libel is not enough? ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/438 "2011-01-12T16:29:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes indeed, many of us have, and have come to the conclusion that while there is no bright line, legally binding, criminal responsibility on Palin’s part, she has indeed formed a significant part of the toxic political atmosphere, and has contributed to the violent rhetoric that is all too common among Republican office holders or candidates. > > While one cannot draw a direct cause/effect to the recent shooting, I think one can say that it is fair to look back at the violent imagery that we’ve seen over the past 2 years, and ask: “Is this what we want to see in the political arena going forward?” What we are saying. Is that both side engage in such tactics. The liberals however are in denial about themselves. Also, what we are saying is that NO the political imagery HAD NOTHING to do with this attack on Giffords. Her attacker has been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. Anything can set one off. The color purple. The fact that she has blond hair, or maybe he felt dismissed by her. Do your homework about paranoid schizophrenics. Anything can set them off. The only people claiming it is political rhetoric that sets them off is leftists. Here is a link for the lazy: > **[Schizophrenia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia)** > > Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized variously by hallucinations (typically, hearing voices), delusions, disorganized thinking or behavior, and flat or inappropriate affect. Symptoms develop gradually and typically begin during young adulthood and rarely resolve. There is no objective diagnostic test; diagnosis is based on observed behavior, a psychiatric history that includes the person's reported experiences, and reports of others familiar with the person.\[1 About 0.3% to 0.7% o... > [@](#): > > It is the most common type of schizophrenia.[2] It is manifested primarily through impaired thought processes in which the central focus is on distorted perceptions or paranoid behavior and thinking.[3] Delusions are in most cases grandiose or persecutory or both.[4] Delusions may be multiple, but usually organised and coherent. [5] They often form the conclusion that others are “out to get them". This type of Schizophrenia is dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, delusions, this is accompanied by hallucinations, usually auditory, and perceptual disturbances. Disturbances of affect, volition, speech, and catatonic symptoms, are not prominent in this branch of schizophrenia.[6] Often, people who have their first episode of schizophrenia in their late teenage years lose out on a lot of important development. [7] The fact that Paranoid schizophrenics often think someone is out to get them certainly sounds like the liberal rhetoric thrown at anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/439 "2011-01-12T16:30:53Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I can only spend so much time educating the ignorant, … I’m sure you’re pretty much a world class authority on ignorance, so keep going. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/440 "2011-01-12T16:32:37Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Deranged? Why? she said this > > and > [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26078.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26078.html) > [http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php) > > As for being leftist. I’m a left of centre Euro which I suppose makes me a commie from a lot of the US’s POV. > > Maybe you think I’m deranged because I used “cunt”. I’m Irish, which means I use words like cunt quite a bit and it is way more used over here than in the US which is were I’m assuming you hail from. Let’s see, the conversation among progressive is for kinder more logical and less rude discourse, so as not to set off the nuts in society. Do you see anything wrong with your misogynist language? Personally since you live in Ireland, I don’t consider you anything but Irish. Your political beliefs will not effect me and are not a concern to me. I did like visiting Ireland. It’s pretty. The people in Ireland are divided and they do disagree a lot, and there is a lot of homegrown terrorism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=23)