# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/461 "2011-01-12T16:54:40Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Oh goody. Crikey. You guys are too easy. I was hoping you would challenge me. > > So, you think the leftist rag [Salon.com](http://Salon.com), engages in inaccurate reporting. In the article they are interviewing a leftist shrink. > > Here’s the link to a Salon article titled “Loughner a “textbook” case paranoid schizophrenic” > > [http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared\_loughner\_paranoid\_schizophrenia\_and\_why/index.html](http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared_loughner_paranoid_schizophrenia_and_why/index.html) My goodness, modern psychiatry has come so far since the days when a psychiatrist had to actually speak to a patient before making a diagnosis! There is hope for you yet! Just put one hand on your computer, and the other hand on the place on your head where all the voices are coming from, and you too can be diagnosed by a random stranger! ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/462 "2011-01-12T16:54:59Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Oh goody. Crikey. You guys are too easy. I was hoping you would challenge me. > > So, you think the leftist rag [Salon.com](http://Salon.com), engages in inaccurate reporting. In the article they are interviewing a leftist shrink. > > Here’s the link to a Salon article titled “Loughner a “textbook” case paranoid schizophrenic” > > [http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared\_loughner\_paranoid\_schizophrenia\_and\_why/index.html](http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared_loughner_paranoid_schizophrenia_and_why/index.html) So you were hoping we would challenge you so you could prove to us you were lying? That’s kinda strange. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/463 "2011-01-12T16:55:13Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > :smack: > > Well, I should let him respond for himself, but my interpretation is that he believes that Sarah Palin should feel a sense of responsibility for her _part_ in creating an atmosphere of gun violence, not that she’s personally “responsible” for the gunman’s actions. > > I could be wrong, though. > > What? > > It’s happened. 😉 From the OP: > [@](#): > > No chance that her lunatic taunting triggered a murderous rampage. And if that doesn’t convince you, we have the following thread no in play (though, to be fair, I believe it was opened after your post): [Shut up and apologize, you kid-killers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=592752) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/464 "2011-01-12T16:55:31Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > I googled Images: “target viewed through telescopic sight” and got 23900 hits in a very short time frame. Many of these hits simply showed long guns and pistols with a telescope mounted and not the actual view through the scope. Of those that did show the view of a target through a telescopic sight, I would guess easily 99% included cross hairs or reticules or what you will but they did not show what your cite showed. Since we were discussing the view shown on the infamous Palin target, I think my search term was valid. I have to admit that I didn’t google “target viewed through surveyor’s tools”. I will leave that for someone else. [**Walmarticus** was thinking too small.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13338986&postcount=124) ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/465 "2011-01-12T16:56:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > OK, then in the interest of fairness and free speech, and using her own terminology, she should be “targeted for removal”. > Let’s watch the shit fly now 😉 Hey Steve, it only seems rational logical and intelligent to focus your discontent at someone who can actually change your life. It seems that the liberals simply can not fathom that Palin does not have that power at this point. Palin should be targeted for removal from what political position? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/466 "2011-01-12T16:56:31Z")
Has anyone seen **curlcoat** lately? This thread is making me miss her. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/467 "2011-01-12T16:57:12Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Oh your so intellectual, aren’t you? Another accusation unsupported by fact. You said he’s been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. He hasn’t. An article speculating about his symptoms is not a diagnosis. I think the author is right, and I said on Saturday that this guy was probably schizophrenic, but that’s not a diagnosis. Around here we try to be factually correct about that. Stop stroking your mouse and you might catch on. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/468 "2011-01-12T16:59:42Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > So you were hoping we would challenge you so you could prove to us you were lying? > > That’s kinda strange. Hypocrisy and denial is not strange. It’s the liberal way of life. It’s interesting that you would choose the word lying. I do not think the liberals lie. It think they really believe their own press. Now that’s strange. Are you saying that a liberal lied, or might lie. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/469 "2011-01-12T17:01:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You said he’s been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. He hasn’t. An article speculating about his symptoms is not a diagnosis. I think the author is right, and I said on Saturday that this guy was probably schizophrenic, but that’s not a diagnosis. Around here we try to be factually correct about that. Stop stroking your mouse and you might catch on. I see you do not understand the meaning of a “textbook case.” One would have had to attend university to understand what that implies. Splitting hairs does not help your case. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/470 "2011-01-12T17:02:18Z")
[http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544\_162-20028105-503544.html](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028105-503544.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/471 "2011-01-12T17:02:45Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I see you do not understand the meaning of a “textbook case.” “Textbook case” is a figure of speech, not a medical term. It means “the kind of case you might see in a textbook.” And it’s not a diagnosis. > [@](#): > > Splitting hairs does not help your case. Being wrong isn’t helping your case - although it hasn’t deterred you so far. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/472 "2011-01-12T17:10:49Z")
> [@](#): > > =Fear Itself;13346101]My goodness, modern psychiatry has come so far since the days when a psychiatrist had to actually speak to a patient before making a diagnosis! Oh you are too easy. So you admit that it’s wrong to jump to conclusions about cause and effect. So you admit that the leftist rag [salon.com](http://salon.com) is being irresponsible by writing an article in which a leftist psychiatrist claims this: [http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared\_loughner\_paranoid\_schizophrenia\_and\_why/index.html](http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/feature/2011/01/11/jared_loughner_paranoid_schizophrenia_and_why/index.html) > [@](#): > > Early on, I wondered: Are we jumping to conclusions with this guy’s diagnosis? But you’re the expert, and you’re saying you feel pretty confident. > > If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I will call it a duck until somebody tells me it’s really a chicken in disguise. Is there any chance it’s not schizophrenia? Sure, but I’ll give you 100 to 1 odds. I agree it is not responsible to jump to conclusions by definitively labeling someone, or jumping to conclusions about blame or reasons for the attack before all the evidence is in? I am glad we agree. 🆒 I am glad that pointing out that the leftist rag [Salon.com](http://Salon.com) was jumping to conclusions, might get your pantaloons in a twist. Now do you see anything wrong with the title of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/473 "2011-01-12T17:11:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > So you don’t know what “diagnose” means either. The list of words you don’t understand or can’t spell is getting pretty long. Diagnose, hypocritical, ad hominem, too, cite… Don’t forget “effect,” as in “Your political beliefs will not effect me…” Personally, my guess is that some sort of gastrointestinal process effected **MoGlow**. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/474 "2011-01-12T17:12:20Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Hey Steve, it only seems rational logical and intelligent to focus your discontent at someone who can actually change your life. > > It seems that the liberals simply can not fathom that Palin does not have that power at this point. Palin should be targeted for removal from what political position? Why limit it only to people who directly affect me? That’s too limiting. Why not anyone who merely disagrees with my personal “world view”? Why do I have to be careful who I “mark”? I say SAME RULES FOR EVERYONE. I say, let’s all slap rifle scope targets on anyone who is not exactly in line with what I want. I say, we need a second amendment solution to oust the tyrants and / or potential tyrants who might some day, have some remote chance of “tyrannizing” me - whether they were duly elected by the majority or not. How dare anyone not think exactly like me and revolve around what I want for me. Fair is fair. GUNSIGHT GRPAHICS ALL AROUND. Everyone gets to demand that someone else be taken out. A candidate for office or celebrity who disagrees, gets the Graphic Of Doom. A TV or radio talking head who doesn’t see things my way gets the Graphic Of Doom. If we can talk about the liberals destroying the country and talk about gunning them down (all in fun of course) to take the country back then we can talk about giving the conservatives a few pot shots too. Why is it OK for one but not the other? That’s hypocritical bull shit. Palin could have been Vice President, a heartbeat away from the Presidency. If McCain had won and then died, Palin WOULD have been President. That’s damn high up the chain. So let’s slap a target thing on her pictures. Fair and balanced. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/475 "2011-01-12T17:12:35Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Oh you are too easy. You forgot to say “Crikey!”. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/476 "2011-01-12T17:13:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > “Textbook case” is a figure of speech, not a medical term. It means “the kind of case you might see in a textbook.” And it’s not a diagnosis. > Being wrong isn’t helping your case - although it hasn’t deterred you so far. Am I wrong? Are you paying attention. I like it when my mice think I am stupid. It makes it easier to confuse them. I will be back to play another day. I have things to do. Meanwhile I will miss you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/477 "2011-01-12T17:15:45Z")
He’s a leftist psychiatrist? How do you ascertain this? Is it because he was contacted by the radical Trotskyist site Salon? Or because he has put forth notions you find disagreeable? And may I ask a further question? How did you happen to find _Straight Dope_? We’re not all that famous. Were you assigned to us, or are you a volunteer? ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/478 "2011-01-12T17:17:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Why is it OK for one but not the other? That’s hypocritical bull shit. > Palin could have been Vice President, a heartbeat away from the Presidency. If McCain had won and then died, Palin WOULD have been President. That’s damn high up the chain. So let’s slap a target thing on her pictures. Fair and balanced. Again, you need to focus, my man. Focus on the people in power. Palin lost. You do realize that? Why are the liberals so deranged by her? That’s the burning question. Gotta’ go. Later:p ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/479 "2011-01-12T17:20:11Z")
> [@](#): > > And may I ask a further question? How did you happen to find _Straight Dope_? We’re not all that famous. Were you assigned to us, or are you a volunteer? Now don’t get all paranoid on me. 😉 Which do you prefer? Assigned, or volunteered??? Hey I am having fun, but i really gotta’ go. I will be back when time allows. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/480 "2011-01-12T17:21:38Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Am I wrong? Yes, you’re wrong. He is probably schizophrenic, but you said he’s been diagnosed with it, which is incorrect. He has not been diagnosed with any mental illness yet. I think that’s the fourth time I’ve said it. There really is something about arrogant idiots on the 'net, isn’t there? ‘Dance, puppets, dance! Continues to prove my arguments wrong and my characterizations nonsensical - it only brings me closer to total victory!’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=25)