# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/581 "2011-01-14T05:36:43Z")
Heck, that’s nothing, wait till you see the _idiotic_ rules that make no fucking sense! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/582 "2011-01-14T06:35:53Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Oh yeah, now I remember why I left this place. Moronic rules that make no fucking sense (assuming I can say that). :rolleyes: Not here you can’t. Complaints about rules or moderation go in ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/583 "2011-01-14T06:36:18Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Oh yeah, now I remember why I left this place. Moronic rules that make no fucking sense (assuming I can say that). :rolleyes: Not here you can’t. Complaints about moderation go in ATMB. (That’s a joke, not a mod note.) ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/584 "2011-01-29T16:30:23Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I like [Gary Varvel](http://blogs.indystar.com/varvelblog/2011/01/10/tragedy-in-tucson/)’s take. Great link, Quartz. For those who do not wish to click the link, Here is the article at the link: > [@](#): > > With all of the rushing to judgment on Jared Loughner’s motivation and the left’s speculation that he must have been inspired by the right-wing, the truth is, we may never know WHY he allegedly did it. It’s like chasing after smoke in the wind. But despite any evidence, several cartoonists have drawn cartoons blaming Sarah Palin or the Tea Party. The irony is that they blame them for hate speech and draw attention to it by demonizing them without proof. Is that hate speech? I believe we may never know why. From news reports, I think Loughner may be explained best by a quote in the movie, “The Dark Knight,” by Alfred, Bruce Wayne’s Butler. He said, “Some men aren’t looking for anything logical. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” Liberals are famous for burning things. They are obsessed with burning the U.S. Flag, but also some have even set themselves on fire in protest (not too bright, right?) Here are some links to Liberals and their penchant for burning things like flags and Pres. Bush in effigy [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/QSipdJHB29Y/hqdefault.jpg "Anti-tea party group burning the American flag!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSipdJHB29Y) > **[ItemFix - Social Video Factory](https://www.itemfix.com/?r=ll)** > > Social Video Factory > [@](#): > > [http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20110125/cm\_theweek/211349](http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20110125/cm_theweek/211349) > link excerpt: 1967 > A 56-year-old California woman, Florence Beaumont, burns herself to death on the steps of the Federal Building in Los Angeles, motivated by what her husband, George, calls “a deep feeling against the slaughter in Vietnam.” Before killing herself, Beaumont, a mother of 18- and 20-year-old daughters, had written her elected representatives to express her views, and complained that she only received form letters in return. Several others set themselves on fire to protest the war, including an 82-year-old woman in Detroit and a 31-year-old Quaker, Norman Morrison, who, clinging to his own child, ignited himself under the Pentagon window of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara’s office. Morrison died; the child survived. > I love this thread. It shows how hypocritical the left is, as well as how their posts are devoid of factual evidence but filled with nothing less than mindless immature insults. Here is a link to liberals gleefully burning Pres. Bush in effigy: Is that violent or what? They are laughing inanely, too. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/HINhfkQAz1g/hqdefault.jpg "George W Bush burns in effigy (Washington DC)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HINhfkQAz1g) I love it when the liberals make my point for me. 🆒;)😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/585 "2011-01-29T16:35:50Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I love it when the liberals make my point for me. 🆒;)😛 Near as I can tell, your point is that extremists on both ends of the spectrum burn people in effigy. Shocking! ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/586 "2011-01-29T16:40:00Z")
BTW: I do not support the wars in the Middle east. IMO, that money would be better spent to seal our borders and to beef up anti-terrorism security within the U.S. Still, I would not burn myself to protest anything. The liberals love violence even as they claim to abhor it. I once saw a liberal wearing a button that said “fight for peace”…with a photograph of a bomb on it. Well, duh…fighting is not peaceful. Do the liberals really fail to see the irony and dissonance in the words on that button? I am not sure if the leftist liberals brains have been seriously and irrevocably disabled by drugs, or if they are just born simpletons. I hope it’s the drugs, and not genetics. If it’s genetics the U.S. is doomed. > [@MoGlow](#): > > Great link, Quartz. > > For those who do not wish to click the link, Here is the article at the link: > > Liberals are famous for burning things. They are obsessed with burning the U.S. Flag, but also some have even set themselves on fire in protest (not too bright, right?) > > Here are some links to Liberals and their penchant for burning things like flags and Pres. Bush in effigy > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSipdJHB29Y](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSipdJHB29Y) > > [ItemFix - Social Video Factory](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db7_1278614216) > > Here is a link to liberals gleefully burning Pres. Bush in effigy: Is that violent or what? They are laughing inanely, too. > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HINhfkQAz1g](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HINhfkQAz1g) > > I love it when the liberals make my point for me. 🆒;)😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/587 "2011-01-29T16:41:45Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I once saw a liberal wearing a button that said “fight for peace”…with a photograph of a bomb on it. The difference is, we don’t nominate our violent extremists for Congress. Conservatives do. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/588 "2011-01-29T16:43:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Near as I can tell, your point is that extremists on both ends of the spectrum burn people in effigy. Shocking! Your point draws another irrelevant conclusion unsupported by any evidence other that your own limited intellectual capacity to read or to comprehend facts. Thank you, though for once again making my point. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/589 "2011-01-29T16:45:35Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Your point draws another irrelevant conclusion unsupported by any evidence other that your own limited intellectual capacity to read or to comprehend facts. > > Thank you, though for once again making my point. My capacity to read for comprehension vastly exceeds your ability to write for coherence, **Mowgli**. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/590 "2011-01-29T16:52:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The difference is, we don’t nominate our violent extremists for Congress. Conservatives do. Really? You certainly elected one as your president. President Obama is the only president to use violent rhetoric to talk about U.S. Citizens who oppose his views. You really need to start paying attention to the words of the Presidents you elect. Here let me refresh you because I know liberals are allergic to facts. > [@](#): > > [http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8916705/](http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8916705/) > > Here are Obama’s violent words: \* “So I know whose ass to kick.” > > - “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” > - and “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.” > Quote: > Some more words from Obama: > > Obama said: “I don’t want to quell anger,” Obama said. “I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.” > > That same year, he attacked his critics, saying, “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” Thanks for playing along. You are making my points for me so easily. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/591 "2011-01-29T16:54:56Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > Really? You certainly elected one as your president. President Obama is the only president to use violent rhetoric to talk about U.S. Citizens who oppose his views. > > You really need to start paying attention to the words of the Presidents you elect. > > Here let me refresh you because I know liberals are allergic to facts. > > Thanks for playing along. You are making my points for me so easily. “You make me angry” is violent rhetoric? Thank you for making my point for me. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/592 "2011-01-29T16:54:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > My capacity to read for comprehension vastly exceeds your ability to write for coherence, **Mowgli**. Ah! Another pointless, mindless, baseless insult. It seems to be a liberal habit. Thank you for playing along, to make my point. I do not see any facts to back up your statements. Regarding your obviously inane insult, You might want to look up the word “projection” BTW: Did you visit my link. President Obama is certain using some very violent rhetoric. Do you approve? Also, read the complete rhetoric from Obama. Claiming to bring a Gun to a fight is certainly violent, particularly when it refers to U.S. citizens who simply oppose his views. Also there is no reason to falsely accuse opponents of bringing a knife or to even mention a fight. Disagreeing with policy is not a fight it is a debate, and it is necessary. Are you having trouble seeing or is it reading comprehension that you lack? Here are Obama’s words. > [@](#): > > [http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8916705/](http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8916705/) > > Here are Obama’s violent words: \* “So I know whose ass to kick.” > > - “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” > - and “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.” > Quote: > Some more words from Obama: > > Obama said: “I don’t want to quell anger,” Obama said. “I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.” > > That same year, he attacked his critics, saying, “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/593 "2011-01-29T16:58:08Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > BTW: Did you visit my link.? No thank you, I don’t patronize right wing porn sites. ETA: Thank you for making my point for me. _For the win!!_ ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/594 "2011-01-29T17:01:12Z")
I blame this nutball’s parents more than anyone other than himself. Where were they when he was getting tossed out of school and denied by the US Army? How long are they going to hide and hold out in their home in Tucson? Why don’t they grow a pair and take the heat for not getting mental health care for a kid who clearly needed it? What’s with parents these days. I have a kid whose close to theirs in age, and believe me, I’d a had the kid’s head examined faster than you could say “nutball”. One of the most important parts of parenting is facing up to when your kid isn’t faring well and not blaming anyone, but getting the proper help for your offspring. Like I said, there were so many signs and signals that this kid needed help really bad, I’d love to know what their excuse is for such ignorance in this day and age? Please, we are all ears. Let this serve as notice to parents, all over, that yes, Francis, it CAN happen here. ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/595 "2011-01-29T17:12:35Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No thank you, I don’t patronize right wing porn sites. > > ETA: Thank you for making my point for me. _For the win!!_ I like it when liberals set themselves to allow me to manipulate them into making fools of themselves with inane commentary. 🆒 But truly it’s like taking candy from a baby. No wonder the liberals cry for a nanny state. 😉 But I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you with another link that shows that the liberals elected a president who claims to be “itching for a fight” and wants “hand to hand combat” with anyone who dares to disagree with his political policies: Let’s not forget too, that Obama is talking about fighting his own U.S. citizenry. He does not talk tough against muslim estremists. Obama bows to extremists and offers them tea and sympathy, and wants to read them miranda rights on the battlefield. > [@](#): > > [http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/](http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/) > > from the link…here are Obama’s violent words: > > If they’re successful in doing that, they’ve already said they’re going to go back to the same policies that were in place during the Bush administration. That means that we are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill.” > > …and > > “I will be happy to see the Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole range of issues,” Obama said last week. “I suspect they will find I am. And I think the American people will be on my side on a whole bunch of these fights.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/596 "2011-01-29T17:24:50Z")
> [@MoGlow](#): > > I like it when liberals set themselves to allow me to manipulate them into making fools of themselves with inane commentary. I’m not a liberal; I am a Socialist. Got any lame talking poiints for Socialists? ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/597 "2011-01-29T17:30:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m not a liberal; I am a Socialist. Got any lame talking poiints for Socialists? Liberal, socialist, communist, welfare queen, no ambition. …all mean the same thing. All apply to a liberal nanny state mindset. BTW: You are dodging my question. Do you approve of Obama’s violent rhetoric: At the same link they have some violent words form Michelle Obama. She wants to physically shake people who do not comply with her wishes. Geesh. Here they are: > [@](#): > > [http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/](http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/) > > Michelle: “Shake Them” > > First Lady Michelle Obama has used violence in her public speeches as well. In a US$1,000 per person fundraising event on September 28, 2008, Michelle said, “I’m sure everyone in this room knows some trifling person who is not registered. You need to talk to them, those folks, and shake them. Tell them we don’t have time to play. Because the choice is clear. We know what we will get if Barack Obama doesn’t win.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/598 "2011-01-29T17:30:43Z")
ETA wrong thread! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/599 "2011-01-29T17:33:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Got any lame talking poiints for Socialists? > > > [@MoGlow](#): > > > > Liberal, socialist, communist, welfare queen, no ambition. …all mean the same thing. And you never disappoint. Dance, little puppet, dance! ---
**Author:** ![MoGlow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@MoGlow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoGlow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/600 "2011-01-29T17:44:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > And you never disappoint. Thank you. I am glad I did not disappoint you. I do not need a liberal to like me. I just need them to start seeing themselves for who they actually are. It’s not a pretty picture, but facing up to the truth is the first step to a liberal being able to change. It’s the first step to taking personal responsibility. 🆒 Insight is a sign of emotional health. Here is another discussing the left’s propensity for violence. The link includes a picture of a gun pointed at Palin’s head. A poster declaring “abort Palin” … a picture of punching Palin. Also there is a video of liberal Madonna claiming she will kick Palin’s ass. LOL. A tee shirt from the left that states. “kill Bush”. A pic of a gun to Bush’s head. A decapitated Bush with blood dripping. The liberals claim to be pacifists, but the only thing the majority of liberal masses are pacifist about is taking responsibility for themselves. The elite liberals are using the liberal masses to do their bidding so that they can remain wealthy and in charge by enslaving the liberals with subsidy programs that they have not earned and will depend on for survivial. > [@](#): > > [http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/](http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/) > > link excerpt: The progressive climate of hate: A comprehensive illustrated primer in 8 parts: > > I. PALIN HATE > II. BUSH HATE > III. MISC. TEA PARTY/GOP/ANTI-TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE HATE > IV. ANTI-CONSERVATIVE FEMALE HATE > V. LEFT-WING MOB HATE — campus, anti-war radicals, ACORN, eco-extremists, & unions > VI. OPEN-BORDERS HATE > VII. ANTI-MILITARY HATE > VIII. HATE: CRIMES — the ever-growing Unhinged Mugshot Collection [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=31)