# Sarah Palin takes no responsibility for the Tucson shootings? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104 "2011-01-10T16:09:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/141 "2011-01-11T00:22:39Z")
We’re not allowed dick-jokes in The Pit? Listen, you’re the one who came in with the ‘this is the real truth and I don’t have to prove it because you’ll just be argue with me’ bullshit. Either put up or deal with the insults, however juvenile they be. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/142 "2011-01-11T00:23:07Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > No, there’s not always the almighty ‘cite’. Because you guys will just nitpick it to death, with all sorts of bogus distinctions that serve just to get your guys off the hook and leave the other side guilty. If you want a cite for _that_, just read this thread. Come on - at least give us a Weathermen cite from 1969 or something. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/143 "2011-01-11T00:29:38Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Please explain what responsibility Palin bears for a psychotic nutball shooting up a Congressional photo-op at a grocery store. I read: Please explain what responsibility Palin bears for a psychotic nutball _showing_ up a Congressional photo-op at a grocery store. _Think_ before you read. Have you learned nothing about the significance of grammar? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/144 "2011-01-11T00:31:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Listen, you’re the one who came in with the ‘this is the real truth and I don’t have to prove it because you’ll just be argue with me’ bullshit. I’m sorry, I don’t think this lends itself to argument. As evidenced by the tortured convoluted distinctions being made here. So I’m not going to argue it. You want to think that means you win by default, that’s fine. My point was made to those who would consider it. > [@](#): > > Either put up or deal with the insults, however juvenile they be. I have no problem with it. But if you’re going to make dick jokes, don’t complain if others make equally insipid retorts. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/145 "2011-01-11T00:33:08Z")
Fine. Take your ball and go home, you pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/146 "2011-01-11T00:42:14Z")
What struck me about Palin’s statement is the sheer artistry of it. The way she turns it back around against anyone criticizing her. From her email to Glenn Beck (no echo chamber there, so don’t even think that). > [@](#): > > Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence. That’s just absolutely brilliant. She must’ve paid good money to have someone write that for her, or at least clean it up for her. The reference to “our children” is simplistic enough for her, but the rest is almost poetic. It’s like verbal judo for morons. ---
**Author:** ![Jim2929](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ea5d25/32.png) [@Jim2929](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim2929)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/147 "2011-01-11T00:49:29Z")
Hold the wedding. Do we know that this nut case ever even saw the so called “Cross-Hair, target’s”? One of you know-it all’s must have some inside info. on this. May I hear it? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/148 "2011-01-11T00:54:22Z")
> [@Jim2929](#): > > Hold the wedding. Do we know that this nut case ever even saw the so called “Cross-Hair, target’s”? One of you know-it all’s must have some inside info. on this. May I hear it? Ah yes. The absolute proof defense. Unless you can go into his browser history and prove that he visited her website or give a quote where he says that Sarah was his inspiration in all things, then none of this counts. Honestly I think you’ve got them with that one. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/149 "2011-01-11T01:20:17Z")
> [@walmarticus](#): > > the attempted exploitation of a really portentous disaster for petty political grudges here is really quite sad. > > Good luck on your crusade against rhetoric. If ever you want to discuss mental healthcare, gun screenings or anything like that, i’ll be over here flossing my teeth. _must protect my tribe_ ---
**Author:** ![Walmarticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Walmarticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walmarticus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/150 "2011-01-11T01:49:33Z")
> [@Jim2929](#): > > Hold the wedding. Do we know that this nut case ever even saw the so called “Cross-Hair, target’s”? One of you know-it all’s must have some inside info. on this. May I hear it? She was shot. What other proof could you possibly want before you start pinning incitement of murder on people. Something substantial? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/151 "2011-01-11T02:44:54Z")
Crosshairs are parts of gunsights and Clinton was impeached over a blowjob. Never let em spin that kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/152 "2011-01-11T02:48:11Z")
Conservative rhetoric is annoying and can bring out the irrationals in any society. But this guy?? Jared seems to be an IED just waiting to explode someday. What an asshole. Even if he has 3 autographed copies of Palin’s book at his abode does not mean she wanted this to happen. All Palin is good at is being a celebrity and that’s all. jared is a rambling idiot with some type of mental disorder. The Cookie Monster could’ve influenced his attack just as easily as Palin or Bachmann or many others. Fucking freak of nature is what this nutcase is. Hopefully, all rhetoric that is conservative or liberal can be put aside for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/153 "2011-01-11T02:57:45Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Ah yes. The absolute proof defense. Unless you can go into his browser history and prove that he visited her website or give a quote where he says that Sarah was his inspiration in all things, then none of this counts. > > Honestly I think you’ve got them with that one. I disagree; this is about Palin et al pretending they didn’t do things they did. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/154 "2011-01-11T03:05:47Z")
You know what cracks me up? We’ve all heard and seen the macho posturing. Inbred retards carrying their cute little guns to Teabagger meetings, calls for second amendment solutions, cold dead hands crap, talk about kicking the shit out of whoever, blood of tyrants yada yada yada. Now what? Scurrying around hollering “no we are nice and would never say such horrible things and mean it”. Bullshit. Fucking cowards. Tell you what. Either you mean it or you don’t. If you mean it, stand by it. If you don’t then shut the fuck up. Regardless and unrelated to the shootings that already happened, this phony macho bullshit makes me want to puke. As for the shooter, to hell with him. have a nice little trial and then lock his ass up forever. No psych treatment, no “miraculous cure”, just locked away forever and forgotten. What’s that French word for a pit in the floor, the one you toss them in and forget? Oubliette? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/155 "2011-01-11T03:14:56Z")
Yeah, why can’t those inbred retards participate in reasoned political discourse like the rest of us? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/156 "2011-01-11T03:26:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, why can’t those inbred retards participate in reasoned political discourse like the rest of us? Because nobody will let them bring their banjos to rallies. Not after what happened the last time. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/157 "2011-01-11T03:41:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The DLC is unsanctioned fringe speech? The DCCC is? They both had maps with targets on them. Why is Palin’s map dangerous and theirs not? > > I know why. > > It’s because their message is GOOD. They want to replace Republicans with Democrats. Palin’s message is BAD. She wants to replace Democrats with Republicans. > > Right? Maybe it’s the map you linked to from the DLC doesn’t have any people’s names listed as being targeted. You did notice that they only show states, right? Not people? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/158 "2011-01-11T03:44:44Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Apparently, clicking on one of those bullseyes would pull up a picture of a Congressperson under the heading “Targeted Republican.” There was no bullseye over their actual faces, though. No, that’s a lie. Clicking on the bullseyes (of the DLC map) does nothing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/159 "2011-01-11T03:44:56Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Maybe it’s the map you linked to from the DLC doesn’t have any people’s names listed as being targeted. You did notice that they only show states, right? Not people? So, it’s OK to use targets as long as you don’t have any names? I’m just trying to understand the rules… ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104/160 "2011-01-11T03:48:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, it’s OK to use targets as long as you don’t have any names? I’m just trying to understand the rules… As stated earlier, the DLC map targets specific states in a presidential election - there wouldn’t BE any names to attach to it. Target a state - fine. Target a specific person with crosshairs? Slightly different, don’t you think? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-palin-takes-no-responsibility-for-the-tucson-shootings-really/567104.md?page=9)