# Sarah turns opaque. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856 "2008-09-16T16:46:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/221 "2008-09-26T03:03:47Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > This right here is solid evidence for an unbiased and objective mainstream media. A biased journalist would have laughed in the Governor’s face. This was my favorite line: > [@Sarah Palin](#): > > . . .our next door neighbors are foreign countries. They’re in the state that I am the executive of. Say _what_??!!??!! Foreign countries are IN the state that she is the executive of? Oh! My! GOD! ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/222 "2008-09-26T03:29:04Z")
Question. If you were judging a high school debate and one of the contestants was throwing out shit like this to support their argument would you give them any points or credence? Would you say “Yes, I don’t agree but they sure did a good job of stating their case.” This is what it’s come down to. Somebody that couldn’t win a high school debate running for Vice President on a ticket with a 72 year old disabled war veteran that has had cancer treatment at least four times. So what do you think Putin is thinking? It’s like the Russian national hockey team scheduling a game against Wassala High School. (And don’t give me any crap about Miracle on Ice. Not even close.) ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/223 "2008-09-26T03:47:58Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Let me see if I get what she’s trying to say– > We need more troops to man the badlands that is the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan-- where, that terrible terrorist, Bin Ladin, is hiding out and bad shit keeps happening. A surge will work in Afghanistan just lilke it did in Iraq. We can’t back down now. Our military leaders in the region are asking all nations, our allies, to help us fight the terrorists that hate America. They hate us. They hate our Freedoms and our apple pie and our women. They hate our allie’s women too. We cannot let the terrorists win, we cannot afford to lose in Afghanistan. So, in other words, let’s do what we should have done many years ago? Partially to protect the freedoms that Sarah Palin would love to take away from us herself? (love that bullshit about women’s rights) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/224 "2008-09-26T05:20:30Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > This was my favorite line: Say _what_??!!??!! > > Foreign countries are IN the state that she is the executive of? > > Oh! > > My! > > GOD! No shit! _ **Never** _ end a sentence with a preposition! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/225 "2008-09-26T07:12:42Z")
It’s the latest Disney comedy-adventure flick! [The feel-good movie of the year!](http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461) You’ll laugh! You’ll cry! You’ll apply for a passport! ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/226 "2008-09-26T12:39:00Z")
That was priceless. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/227 "2008-09-26T15:17:42Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Sarah Palin: > Let me see if I get what she’s trying to say– > We need more troops to man the badlands that is the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan-- where, that terrible terrorist, Bin Ladin, is hiding out and bad shit keeps happening. A surge will work in Afghanistan just lilke it did in Iraq. We can’t back down now. Our military leaders in the region are asking all nations, our allies, to help us fight the terrorists that hate America. They hate us. They hate our Freedoms and our apple pie and our women. They hate our allie’s women too. We cannot let the terrorists win, we cannot afford to lose in Afghanistan. The wisdom of Charlie Kelly strikes again: “Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I’m hot. What? Taxes, they’ll be lower… son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.” Anyone care to Charlie-ify Palin’s statement? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Claptree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Claptree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claptree)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/228 "2008-09-26T15:34:23Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > It’s the latest Disney comedy-adventure flick! [The feel-good movie of the year!](http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1831461) > > You’ll laugh! You’ll cry! You’ll apply for a passport! Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/229 "2008-09-26T16:09:08Z")
The clip/quote that defined the thing for me was when she mentioned knowing where Putin’s mind was at/ head was at, because of the shared airspace border. She’s got Canada on one side and Russia on the other and boy howdy she’s got her finger on the femoral artery of international politics. You know what? I’m a Democrat, etc. etc. and so a part of me is actively salivating. Another part of me feels very very bad for this woman. She’s been plucked from a job that she was elected to, and if she wasn’t doing very well so far well hell- given some time and seasoning she might have become a pretty good Governor. She’s in so deep that it is, to be honest, not gratifying as much as it is slightly frightening to witness. You watch someone laugh at a white shark from the beach, you hold them in contempt. You see someone sputtering as the cold salt water keeps washing into their mouth because nobody taught them how to swim and they’re in a riptide? You feel real pity. She should not be in this position. She’s drowning. The hyper-bright shimmer in her eyes as you could SEE her mind pre-reading words for acceptability as she formulated her answers to Katie was a real visual cue. She’s drowning. Her party will never admit it, nor would they consider pulling her. That’d be disastrous. But my gosh. Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/230 "2008-09-26T17:01:28Z")
Her position is too critical, her grasp of international relations too definitive, to move her out. It is essential for the freedom of America that she remain vigiliant at her post, ever ready should the zeppelin head of Putin come floating over the Bering Sea, endangering our strategic reserves of seal blubber and ambergris! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/231 "2008-09-26T17:40:16Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > The clip/quote that defined the thing for me was when she mentioned knowing where Putin’s mind was at/ head was at, because of the shared airspace border. She’s got Canada on one side and Russia on the other and boy howdy she’s got her finger on the femoral artery of international politics. > > You know what? I’m a Democrat, etc. etc. and so a part of me is actively salivating. Another part of me feels very very bad for this woman. She’s been plucked from a job that she was elected to, and if she wasn’t doing very well so far well hell- given some time and seasoning she might have become a pretty good Governor. She’s in so deep that it is, to be honest, not gratifying as much as it is slightly frightening to witness. > > You watch someone laugh at a white shark from the beach, you hold them in contempt. You see someone sputtering as the cold salt water keeps washing into their mouth because nobody taught them how to swim and they’re in a riptide? You feel real pity. > > She should not be in this position. She’s drowning. The hyper-bright shimmer in her eyes as you could SEE her mind pre-reading words for acceptability as she formulated her answers to Katie was a real visual cue. She’s drowning. > > Her party will never admit it, nor would they consider pulling her. That’d be disastrous. But my gosh. > > Cartooniverse I have to agree to some extent. I feel badly for intelligent, well-spoken women everywhere who cringe every time Palin opens her mouth. She is a poor representative of her sex (not that Biden is such a hotshot) on a par with Dan Quayle, and a very poor example of someone from a small town. She’s not stupid, but she’s completely out of her depth in this role. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/232 "2008-09-26T18:57:22Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > You know what? I’m a Democrat, etc. etc. and so a part of me is actively salivating. Another part of me feels very very bad for this woman. She’s been plucked from a job that she was elected to, and if she wasn’t doing very well so far well hell- given some time and seasoning she might have become a pretty good Governor. She’s in so deep that it is, to be honest, not gratifying as much as it is slightly frightening to witness. > > You watch someone laugh at a white shark from the beach, you hold them in contempt. You see someone sputtering as the cold salt water keeps washing into their mouth because nobody taught them how to swim and they’re in a riptide? You feel real pity. > > She should not be in this position. She’s drowning. The hyper-bright shimmer in her eyes as you could SEE her mind pre-reading words for acceptability as she formulated her answers to Katie was a real visual cue. She’s drowning. Oh fuck _that_ noise. Why would you feel pity for someone who put _herself_ in this position, over and over again? She ran for mayor, she ran for governor, and now she thinks she’s got the goods to be VP despite being manifestly unprepared, unintelligent, incurious, and uninformed. The woman is a narrow-minded, ignorant, deluded crackpot choking not on seawater but her own ambition. She has the same creepy, singleminded belief in her own righteousness, the same stubborn outrage at any criticism or even outside scrutiny, that Bush, McCain and Cheney have. It’s called hubris, and it is revolting. I don’t pity her, I despise her. I make no claims to be more articulate than she is (though I hope to God I am). But I don’t have to be. And if someone came to me and invited me to be on their presidential ticket, I’d say, “what the fuck man, are you crazy?” If she had an ounce of self-awareness she would have respectfully declined their advances. But she hasn’t and she didn’t, and the reason why appears to be because she actually thinks she’s qualified, and my guess is she hungers for the power to push her nutso religious agenda as hard as she can. And now once again we’re gonna see a Republican candidate appear in a debate and be lauded simply because she manages not to drool over the microphone. Expectations are so low for Palin that all she has to do is remain upright to be declared the winner. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/233 "2008-09-26T19:59:57Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > She’s not stupid, but she’s completely out of her depth in this role. I know it is nice to say she’s not stupid, but evidence? I know she isn’t stupid on an absolute scale, but how about relative to the people she’d interact with in Washington or around the world, not relative to small towns in Alaska (or nearly anywhere else.) She’s a Creationist. She cannot come up with good justifications of her experience or positions. She did not go to a very good college. I haven’t seen evidence she did well even there. She seems more driven by vindictiveness than a consideration of the consequences of her actions. I don’t doubt at all her confidence she is up for the job. A sign of stupidity is not being able to realize what you are getting into. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/234 "2008-09-26T20:03:21Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I know it is nice to say she’s not stupid, but evidence? I know she isn’t stupid on an absolute scale, but how about relative to the people she’d interact with in Washington or around the world, not relative to small towns in Alaska (or nearly anywhere else.) > > She’s a Creationist. She cannot come up with good justifications of her experience or positions. She did not go to a very good college. I haven’t seen evidence she did well even there. She seems more driven by vindictiveness than a consideration of the consequences of her actions. > I don’t doubt at all her confidence she is up for the job. A sign of stupidity is not being able to realize what you are getting into. Perhaps “clueless” is a better word than “stupid”. Re: your last sentence. I think her ambition has blinded her to her own lack of qualification. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/235 "2008-09-26T20:05:25Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > She did not go to a very good college. All six of them weren’t good?😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/236 "2008-09-26T20:10:56Z")
First one was too big, next one too small, third one was too hot, fourth had, like, \*tests \*and stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/237 "2008-09-26T20:13:04Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > All six of them weren’t good?😉 Seven if you include Fifi La Fontaine’s School of Charm and Poise (bonin’ up for Miss Alaska, dont ya know). ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/238 "2008-09-26T20:16:41Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Oh fuck _that_ noise. Why would you feel pity for someone who put _herself_ in this position, over and over again? She ran for mayor, she ran for governor, and now she thinks she’s got the goods to be VP despite being manifestly unprepared, unintelligent, incurious, and uninformed. The woman is a narrow-minded, ignorant, deluded crackpot choking not on seawater but her own ambition. She has the same creepy, singleminded belief in her own righteousness, the same stubborn outrage at any criticism or even outside scrutiny, that Bush, McCain and Cheney have. It’s called hubris, and it is revolting. I don’t pity her, I despise her. I can’t say I despise her, but I don’t like her for the reasons you mentioned. I think having her as a VP puts us in dangerous position. I despise McCain for that. If he really really wanted a female VP to pander to disgruntled HRC fans, _ **this is the best woman he could choose** _? I don’t think he has the judgment to be president because of it. > [@](#): > > I make no claims to be more articulate than she is (though I hope to God I am). But I don’t have to be. And if someone came to me and invited me to be on their presidential ticket, I’d say, “what the fuck man, are you crazy?” If she had an ounce of self-awareness she would have respectfully declined their advances. But she hasn’t and she didn’t, and the reason why appears to be because she actually thinks she’s qualified, and my guess is she hungers for the power to push her nutso religious agenda as hard as she can. Yep, I agree there, too. I’m always leery of politicians with religious agendas, too. I believe in God but I’d have more respect for organized religion if it stayed out of politics. > [@](#): > > And now once again we’re gonna see a Republican candidate appear in a debate and be lauded simply because she manages not to drool over the microphone. Expectations are so low for Palin that all she has to do is remain upright to be declared the winner. Well, they probably think Bush has done a fine job. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/239 "2008-09-26T20:34:51Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > I can’t say I despise her, but I don’t like her for the reasons you mentioned. I think having her as a VP puts us in dangerous position. I despise McCain for that. If he really really wanted a female VP to pander to disgruntled HRC fans, _ **this is the best woman he could choose** _? I don’t think he has the judgment to be president because of it. I don’t think he chose Palin. I think his campaign managers did. That buys him nothing, though, because then he clearly isn’t in control of his own campaign. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/240 "2008-09-26T20:59:06Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > (bonin’ up for Miss Alaska, dont ya know). THAT’S how she got second place? Maybe if she boned more she would’ve won. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=13)