# Sarah turns opaque. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856 "2008-09-16T16:46:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/321 "2008-09-29T23:20:57Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > She is not petty or vindictive. She is a mere tool in the hands of her deity’s will, and it would be evil and wrong to allow people to stand in the way of her deity’s will, or to remain in positions where they may do so in future. > > Nor is she corrupt. It would be a failing in her role as a tool in the hands of her deity not to use every means at her disposal to acheive her deity’s goals. Further, it is insulting to make an issue of any benefits she may obtain: she obtains them in order to be a better tool in the hands of her deity. The scales have fallen from mine eyes! I’m having a road to Damascus moment! I done seen the light! Lead me, Sarah, lead me! If I follow you, I am assured a final resting place in the great beyond. Blessed am I to have seen the light! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/322 "2008-09-29T23:23:05Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Must be you. Maybe. The post was just so over the top crazy I thought it must be sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/323 "2008-09-29T23:24:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ms Obama is smokin’ hot, in a church-goin sort of way. Any guy who’d do Sarah Palin is too lazy to jerk off. I’m proud to say I’m demonstrably \*not \*that lazy. Ms. Husseinobama isn’t bad, but I’ve never been a particular fan of chicks with an underbite. Makes them look a bit like—well, a barracuda, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/324 "2008-09-29T23:43:03Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Maybe. The post was just so over the top crazy I thought it must be sarcasm. You truly don’t think that some fundamentalist believers don’t see themselves that way? :dubious: Not all–but some do. Who knows just what Ms Palin believes. Our sitting President has stated he has a direct line to God–his “higher” father. Fundamentalist religions tend to emphasize a personal relationship with Jesus Christ with a calling to not only spread the good news, but also correct those whose views differ(they may call it enlightment. I call it harassment. Potato/potahto). They are taught to be tools for Christ-- living examples and role models (that so many utterly fail at this should make any thinking person look askance at the precepts. Instead , those who fail are given credit for having tried or having accepted Jesus into their hearts. Those who also say they have accepted Jesus into their hearts, but do not support the same anti-gay, anti-women rhetoric are considered messengers from Satan. Or something). If Palin truly walked this walk, the militancy and belligerence that characterized her debut would have been absent. Unfortunately, the ineptness would still be there… ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/325 "2008-09-29T23:56:43Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > You truly don’t think that some fundamentalist believers don’t see themselves that way? :dubious: Not all–but some do. I absolutely do believe they do. I just didn’t realize Princhester was Lib and Shodan’s bastard love child… ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/326 "2008-09-30T00:51:53Z")
Today’s delight was McCain telling Couric that the question answered by Palin that directly contradicted what McCain said about Pakistan in the debate was a “gotcha” question. Couric rightly said “That was a voter asking the question!” McCain continued to blather on about gotcha questions and Palin uttered something incoherent about a question being asked from “across a space”. This campaign appears to be coming apart at the seams, with both of them lashing out at any convenient target. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/327 "2008-09-30T01:11:44Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Today’s delight was McCain telling Couric that the question answered by Palin that directly contradicted what McCain said about Pakistan in the debate was a “gotcha” question. Couric rightly said “That was a voter asking the question!” McCain continued to blather on about gotcha questions and Palin uttered something incoherent about a question being asked from “across a space”. This campaign appears to be coming apart at the seams, with both of them lashing out at any convenient target. Link? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/328 "2008-09-30T01:27:11Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Link? [Here’s one](http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/a_voter_asks_a_question_and_it.php). > [@](#): > > **Katie Couric:** Over the weekend, Gov. Palin, you said the U.S. should absolutely launch cross-border attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan to, quote, “stop the terrorists from coming any further in.” Now, that’s almost the exact position that Barack Obama has taken and that you, Sen. McCain, have criticized as something you do not say out loud. So, Gov. Palin, are you two on the same page on this? > > **Sarah Palin** : We had a great discussion with President Zardari as we talked about what it is that America can and should be doing together to make sure that the terrorists do not cross borders and do not ultimately put themselves in a position of attacking America again or her allies. And we will do what we have to do to secure the United States of America and her allies. > > **Couric:** Is that something you shouldn’t say out loud, Sen. McCain? > > **John McCain** : Of course not. But, look, I understand this day and age “gotcha” journalism. Is that a pizza place? In a conversation with someone who you didn’t hear … the question very well, you don’t know the context of the conversation. Grab a phrase. Gov. Palin and I agree that you don’t announce that you’re going to attack another country. > > **Couric:** Are you sorry you said it … > > **McCain:** …And the fact … > > **Couric:** Governor? > > **McCain:** Wait a minute. Before you say, “is she sorry she said it,” this was a “gotcha” sound bite that, look … > > **Couric:** It wasn’t a “gotcha.” She was talking to a voter. > > **McCain:** No, she was in a conversation with a group of people and talking back and forth. And …I’ll let Gov. Palin speak for herself. > > **Palin:** Well, it … in fact, you’re absolutely right on. In the context, this was a voter, a constituent, hollering out a question from across an area asking, “What are you gonna do about Pakistan? You better have an answer to Pakistan.” I said we’re gonna do what we have to do to protect the United States of America. > > **Couric:** But you were pretty specific about what you wanted to do, cross-border … > > **Palin** : Well, as Sen. McCain is suggesting here, also, never would our administration get out there and show our cards to terrorists, in this case, to enemies and let them know what the game plan was, not when that could ultimately adversely affect a plan to keep America secure. > > \*\*Couric: \*\*What did you learn from that experience? > > **Palin:** That this is all about “gotcha” journalism. A lot of it is. But that’s okay, too. \ ETA: [Found the video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RywhPtebuM). Watch it and weep. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/329 "2008-09-30T01:51:55Z")
If [this rumor is true and it makes it out there, it could be a big nail.](http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/In_reintroduction_Palin_to_do_more_interviews_and_tell_her_story.html) > [@](#): > > Of concern to McCain’s campaign, however, is a remaining and still-undisclosed clip from Palin’s interview with Couric last week that has the political world buzzing. > > The Palin aide, after first noting how “infuriating” it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions. > > After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases. > > There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/330 "2008-09-30T01:57:34Z")
Please let the rumor be true. We need some laughter to get through these stressful times. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/331 "2008-09-30T02:15:15Z")
Joe Scarborough said there was also a question where she was asked “what’s the worst thing Dick Cheney did?” And Palin answered. “Shooting his friend in the face.” ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/332 "2008-09-30T02:21:05Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Please let the rumor be true. We need some laughter to get through these stressful times. Something like “Gavel? No, Katie. In Alaska we use Asphalt.” ---
**Author:** ![Gotterfunken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/58956e/32.png) [@Gotterfunken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gotterfunken)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/333 "2008-09-30T02:37:03Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [Here’s one](http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/a_voter_asks_a_question_and_it.php). \ > > ETA: [Found the video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RywhPtebuM). Watch it and weep. I’ve watched that video, and I’m still not sure what Palin (or Grandpa McCain) was talking about. Is she saying that we shouldn’t talk about the possibility of US troops crossing the Pakistani border only because that would be broadcasting our strategies to the terrorists? I thought McCain had insisted that he would never even consider any military exercises which would violate Pakistan’s borders, and that was why he was criticizing Obama so strongly for suggesting that he (Obama) would even dare to consider such a move. But it sounds like Palin is saying that the US should have _all_ options available to us, even (presumably) including movement into Pakistan–only we can’t talk about it because the terrorists will suddenly realize that their hiding place in Pakistan might be compromised! WTF? And what was with McCain’s lame “pizza place” joke? Because the word “gotcha” sounds vaguely Italian? ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/334 "2008-09-30T02:37:57Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Found the video. Watch it and weep. [/QUOTE] Omigod. She just keeps repeating sound bytes. Even her perky wrap-up comment, “gotcha journalism, but that’s okay too” completely ignored truths: the question was asked _by a voter_, not a journalist, and she did in fact espouse invasion. It helps–some–to picture her as Tina Fey. At least then I can momentarily ignore the hideous stakes. That, one old cancer victim away from the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/335 "2008-09-30T02:46:29Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > It helps–some–to picture her as Tina Fey. What scares me is that in reading the transcript I totally had Tina Fey’s impression of Sarah Palin going on in my head. And then when I got to the audio … my head turned out to be quite astute. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/336 "2008-09-30T03:03:46Z")
> [@Gotterfunken](#): > > And what was with McCain’s lame “pizza place” joke? Because the word “gotcha” sounds vaguely Italian? Wait…that was supposed to be a joke? And it was because of the word “gotcha”? Shit, he should write for SNL… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/337 "2008-09-30T03:04:53Z")
> [@Gotterfunken](#): > > And what was with McCain’s lame “pizza place” joke? Because the word “gotcha” sounds vaguely Italian? He was sneering at the fact that the question was lobbed by someone in the crowd in a pizza joint, so of course it couldn’t matter, since only non-persons frequent pizza joints. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/338 "2008-09-30T03:20:20Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [Here’s one](http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/a_voter_asks_a_question_and_it.php). \ > > ETA: [Found the video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RywhPtebuM). Watch it and weep. I know she’s a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions, but damn. I really do feel bad for her. She looked like a smug fool in that clip. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/339 "2008-09-30T03:53:27Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I absolutely do believe they do. I just didn’t realize Princhester was Lib and Shodan’s bastard love child… I am, but as you may know children often rebel against their parents and my post was certainly sarcasm. However, I don’t think you understood **Merijeek** ’s point, which was I think to suggest that the gist of my post was that _Palin_ was **Bricker** in a dress. Not me. IMHO leaders who justify their positions using religion probably range all the way from true believers through to those who don’t believe a word of what they are saying but have learned that they can get away with anything (with a certain audience) if they cloak themselves in religion. I haven’t seen enough of Palin to form a view on how much she believes her own religious schtick. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/340 "2008-09-30T04:14:46Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I am, but as you may know children often rebel against their parents and my post was certainly sarcasm. However, I don’t think you understood **Merijeek** ’s point, which was I think to suggest that the gist of my post was that _Palin_ was **Bricker** in a dress. Not me. > > IMHO leaders who justify their positions using religion probably range all the way from true believers through to those who don’t believe a word of what they are saying but have learned that they can get away with anything (with a certain audience) if they cloak themselves in religion. > > I haven’t seen enough of Palin to form a view on how much she believes her own religious schtick. Gotcha. I was pretty sure I knew most of our resident crazies and I didn’t think you were one of them. So you’re not crazy and I’m not the sharpest spoon in the drawer, glad that’s settled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=18)