# Sarah turns opaque. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856 "2008-09-16T16:46:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/461 "2008-10-12T02:46:50Z")
Heh. At one point, I think they were chanting, “Obama! Obama!” Kind of a chickenshit move to bring the kids out on the ice with her. She probably thought that would stop the crowd from booing. Ha! Does she know nothing of Philly fans? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/462 "2008-10-12T02:51:54Z")
Everything about that video is weird. She just keeps smiling and waving like it’s applause. My wife thinks she was keeping her chin up for the kids. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/463 "2008-10-12T03:01:20Z")
She had to provide good footage for Fox News - they’ll at least be able to show it without any audio. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/464 "2008-10-12T03:45:08Z")
That’s Philadelpha for you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/465 "2008-10-12T04:40:50Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > Please welcome the best known hockey mom in the United States, Sarah Palin! > > _ **BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!** _ > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TgDanmWkg](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TgDanmWkg) Note also the [signs](http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/iemenvr/5993646.jpg) being held by some of the fans. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/466 "2008-10-12T05:02:24Z")
She admitted that she would try to [use her kids to fend off boos](http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/palin-drops-puck-at-flyers-game-receives-mixed-reaction/): > [@](#): > > The GOP Vice-Presidential nominee said at an earlier fundraiser that she would stop some of the booing from the rowdy Philadelphia fans by putting her seven year old daughter, Piper in a Flyers jersey. She said, “How dare they boo Piper!” Kind of a chickenshit move, in my opinion. Reminds me of Martin Sheen picking up the kid to use as a human shield at the end of _The Dead Zone_. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/467 "2008-10-12T05:07:28Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state’s public safety commissioner.](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate_37) Technically, no. It found that she broke the law in trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired, but that she was within her authority to remove PSC Monegan even if part of the reason was that he refused to fire said EBIL. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/468 "2008-10-12T13:30:30Z")
In her latest middle finger to Alaskans, The Annointed One gave a [phone interview](http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/553680.html) about what she calls “Tasergate”. The pre-conditions were that only the three Alaska network TV stations could interview, and they were limited to one question only. In this interview she crows about how she has been vindicated, which once again proves she’s incapable of critical thinking, and has others do her reading for her (sounds like she’s continuing the proud Bush legacy). When asked about partisan attacks by her local staff, she denies having heard of any such thing, then goes on to say how calling somebody a “rogue” is not a bad thing. > [@](#): > > Palin was also asked about whether she approved of how the campaign is going in Alaska, especially regarding concerns about attacks on " good people," such as Monegan being called “rogue.” > > “Rogue isn’t a negative term when you consider that in a cabinet you need a team effort going forward with a governor’s agenda,” Palin said. Whatever the fuck THAT means. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/469 "2008-10-12T13:46:45Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Whatever the fuck THAT means. Basically, that he’s some sort of “maverick”, but she can’t call him that since he’s the enemy. So he’s “rogue”, like them states like North Korea, Iran, and Massachusetts. Dontcha know there, chef guy? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/470 "2008-10-12T13:48:14Z")
She doesn’t know what the word means. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/471 "2008-10-12T13:49:19Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > She doesn’t know what the word means. Good old Occam’s Razor. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/472 "2008-10-12T13:57:01Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Basically, that he’s some sort of “maverick”, but she can’t call him that since he’s the enemy. So he’s “rogue”, like them states like North Korea, Iran, and Massachusetts. Dontcha know there, chef guy? > > -Joe I know what “rogue” means. I just can’t figure out what her bullshit duck-and-weave explanation is supposed to mean. Believe me, when the word was used by her local pimps, it wasn’t in a complimentary way. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/473 "2008-10-12T23:57:31Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > In this interview she crows about how she has been vindicated, which once again proves she’s incapable of critical thinking… Given her goals (ignore yours & mine for a moment) what part of appropriate critical thinking on her part would tell her that acknowledging wrongdoing would be a good idea? Totally ignoring reality and remaining on message no matter what seems to work. That’s what her critical thinking told her and I’m not so sure she’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/474 "2008-10-13T00:03:51Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Given her goals (ignore yours & mine for a moment) what part of appropriate critical thinking on her part would tell her that acknowledging wrongdoing would be a good idea? Totally ignoring reality and remaining on message no matter what seems to work. That’s what her critical thinking told her and I’m not so sure she’s wrong. I dunno, when I fuck up at work, a little bit of, “Yes, I fucked up, it was a mistake, and I understand why it was a mistake. I apologize and it won’t happen again,” goes a long way. Mind you, it wouldn’t change my vote; I disagree with her politics profoundly. It would, however, give me some respect for her, which I don’t currently have. I continue to be perplexed by people who refuse to admit that they have ever made a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/475 "2008-10-13T01:55:11Z")
[QUOTE=Palin] “Rogue isn’t a negative term when you consider that in a cabinet you need a team effort going forward with a governor’s agenda,” Palin said. [/QUOTE] > [@cricetus](#): > > She doesn’t know what the word means. This is obviously a sovereign type o’ rogue. I’m sure Bush would cromulate her. (seriously, I cannot parse her sentence. Rogues do not work on teams, neither do mavericks. Wouldn’t a rogue in the cabinet go against the cabinet’s mainstream thought? Perhaps she is attempting to say that diverse opinions are welcome? But what that has to do with Troopergate also eludes me. She makes my head ache.) ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/476 "2008-10-13T12:49:05Z")
Personally, _rogue_ doesn’t have a negative connotion for me any more than _maverick_ does. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/477 "2008-10-13T13:01:48Z")
> [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](#): > > Personally, _rogue_ doesn’t have a negative connotion for me any more than _maverick_ does. Yabut. . . what does the connotation of ‘rogue’-- be it negative or positive-- have to do with working together? Can a tiger not be a negative term when considering sleeping babies? Can a warlock not be considered negative when casting fear in The Deadmines? What in the hell is that woman trying to say? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/478 "2008-10-13T13:46:59Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > What in the hell is that woman trying to say? I think it’s more what she’s trying \*not \*to say. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/479 "2008-10-13T15:35:34Z")
> [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](#): > > Personally, _rogue_ doesn’t have a negative connotion for me any more than _maverick_ does. Really? Rogue elephant? Rogue agent? The definition in my trusty home dictionary says: “1. A dishonest or worthless person: scoundrel: an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation.” Traditionally, and in literature, it has meant someone who is mischievous, but I’ve never heard it used in a positive manner. On the other hand, “maverick” is defined as “an independent individual who refuses to conform with his group”, which doesn’t necessarily have a negative spin to it. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856/480 "2008-10-13T17:01:54Z")
“Rogue elephant” is a category of its own. If it were “maverick elephant,” it would mean the same thing. Let’s take a Dirty Harry-type movie where the police chief is talking about his most hot-headed police officer: “That Callahan is a menace to society! He’s a maverick, not a team player, and he needs to be reined in!” versus “That Callahan is a menace to society! He’s a rogue, not a team player, and he needs to be reined in!” Same same. I have definitely heard _rogue_ used in a positive manner. It’s like _scamp_. There’s no negative connotation to _rogue_ in Rogue Squadron, the Knight and Rogue novels, the Marvel Comics character Rogue, or the AMC Motors Rogue automobile. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarah-turns-opaque/463856.md?page=25)