# SarahWitch, the premier expert on American law. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 26, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713 "2017-11-26T00:28:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/1 "2017-11-26T00:28:23Z")
> [@Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/134): > > I’m the premier expert on American law Based on your ramblings in GD and your refusing to put forward your _bona fides_ in a forum in which you are expected to back up your assertions, clearly you are not the premier expert on American law despite holding yourself out as such. Your misrepresentation leaves you as either a self-deluded nutter, or a troll, or some combination thereof. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/2 "2017-11-26T00:34:39Z")
The persistent and obstinate refusal to provide straight answers to straightforward questions leaves little doubt in my mind. I go for self-deluded troll. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/3 "2017-11-26T00:36:56Z")
She’s already been mentioned in the troll thread. And I don’t think she’s deluded. That’s way too high a view of oneself. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/4 "2017-11-26T00:45:17Z")
She already gave her credentials. You must have missed it. They are, _“you shall know me by my works.”_ Be nice to her until she turns all the water to wine, they we can mock her. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/5 "2017-11-26T00:47:33Z")
**Susannan** ’s slightly more coherant little sister? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/6 "2017-11-26T02:15:24Z")
She’ll be banned within the hour. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/7 "2017-11-26T02:26:07Z")
Oh wow, I thought the thread title was just going to be a joke when I clicked it. Actual quote! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/8 "2017-11-26T03:12:51Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > She already gave her credentials. You must have missed it. > > They are, _“you shall know me by my works.”_ I’m reminded of a long-ago poster who used to like to say, “My post is my cite.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/9 "2017-11-26T03:27:39Z")
Sarahwitch = Troll-a-saurus Rex. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/10 "2017-11-26T03:29:26Z")
Maybe, but **Aldebaran** was usually _coherent._ **SarahWitch** isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/11 "2017-11-26T03:31:22Z")
Is this one of the “lawyers” Shags has claimed to of dated? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/12 "2017-11-26T03:35:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > She already gave her credentials. You must have missed it. > > They are, _“you shall know me by my works.”_ > > Be nice to her until she turns all the water to wine, they we can mock her. > Thank you. Hey, anybody that is turning water into wine ain’t getting any mocking from me…some sucking up? hell yeah…mocking? no… ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/13 "2017-11-26T03:35:45Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Is this one of the “lawyers” Shags has claimed to of dated? Ha! Maybe the recent spate of spammers and lunatics can be attributed to his dating escapades. He must link to here on his dating profile. ---
**Author:** ![Itself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d07c76/32.png) [@Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/14 "2017-11-26T03:37:36Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Your misrepresentation leaves you as either a self-deluded nutter, or a troll, or some combination thereof. > > Which is it? Why not both? In any case, she’ll be gone by the end of the week, whether from being banned or stalking off in a huff after the liberals fail to acknowledge her very special talents. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/15 "2017-11-26T03:54:05Z")
> [@Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/212): > > If you want to write fiction, this isn’t the place for it. It was about one thing, and ONLY one thing: national sovereignty. > That’s was the CSA states’ sole _legal_ basis for secession, and the federal government’s legal basis for\* invasion\*; that is a simple fact, and if you _deny_ this you are WRONG Pure racist revisionism right there. I think we’ve seen enough. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/16 "2017-11-26T04:52:13Z")
> [@Itself](#): > > Why not both? In any case, she’ll be gone by the end of the week, whether from being banned or stalking off in a huff after the liberals fail to acknowledge her very special talents. Well she has a talent for uniting Doper Minds from right and left into a rare consensus along the lines of 😕 WTF :dubious: oh please :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/17 "2017-11-26T05:04:47Z")
SarahWitch…SarahWitch… it all sounds so familiar…the incoherency, the batshit ideas about how government should work…SarahWitch…do you think she might be from Alaska? Maybe a former high level elected official there? And the undisputed queen of WTF? That would explain so much. The quote below is from the other thread, I found it but I’m not sure it was linked to [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825660](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=825660) She appears towards the end of page 3. But I was struck by her habit of _highlighting_ random _words_ with italics. It reminded me of _how_ I punch up _random_ words when _I’m_ singing McArthur Park (Richard Harris version) at the _karaoke_ bar. So I _started_ to sing the _below_ post to the tune of McArthur Park. It fit better than I expected although I had to replace Oh No Oh No with…All About…All About…pure bunk…pure bunk…and. ie NONE ie NONE. It’s a long song. It was a long post. > [@Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/148): > > This is quibbling. The sole issue is national sovereignty of a individual nation-states, which the USA does not have over its member-states-- as the federal government _claims_. Nothing else matters. > > You’re confusing centralization, with _national sovereignty_– which the CSA states never ceded to the CSA Union, nor did did the CSA allege; indeed, that was the sole issue between the two Union, i.e. the USA claimed that the states formed a single nation-state, while the CSA states claimed they were always separate nation-states. > > That’s what it was ALL about. If the North admitted that the truth, that the states were sovereign nation-states, then there could have been no war; however charlatans fabricated many arguments to _deny_ this fact under color of law, from Jackson to Lincoln. > > Separate nation-states can form federal republics which can be as centralized as they _please_, without _forfeiting_ their status as separate nation-states; this can only be lost if they expressly _manifest_ such an act; and the American states never did that. > > That’s the confusion which plagues most people today, in claiming that USA’s common military, currency, whatever, _made_ the states into a single nation-state, by implication… when all that is pure _bunk_. It doesn’t work that way, for reasons I just stated. > > The Euro, the UN army, etc. did not make those nation-states into a _single_ nation-state-- but Hitler, Hussein and Hirohito \* claimed\* this in their various conquests, with the same legal validity as Lincoln-- i.e. none. Again, it can only happen by\* express action,\* since a nation-state is its own supreme ruler by law, in terms of _judging_ legal intent. Thus, nothing can be \*left \*to judgment in such a treaty which joins two or more nation-states as a single one. ---
**Author:** ![buckgully](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb9ed0/32.png) [@buckgully](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buckgully)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/18 "2017-11-26T05:31:35Z")
I’ve got Tree Fiddy on “The Fourteenth Amendment was never ratified.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/19 "2017-11-26T05:41:14Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It’s a long song. It was a long post. Further down in the thread, she says > [@Is there any legitimacy to the Sovereign Citizen argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-any-legitimacy-to-the-sovereign-citizen-argument/786097/196): > > Oh, no. I expressly mentioned that the \*People \*of each state were the sovereign national authority therein; because they _are_. > State governments were actually _below_ the federal government in the Constitution’s delegated chain-of-command, but both were completely subordinate to the People of the individual nation-state. > FACT. > Hope this clears things up. So, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713/20 "2017-11-26T05:45:23Z")
People; who; overuse; semi-colons; as; a; way; of; attempting; to; project; intelligence; always; crack; me; up. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sarahwitch-the-premier-expert-on-american-law/802713.md?page=2)